uffda udfa
9 years ago

The good news is that there are still 13 games left in the season. The bad news is that the Packers will need to improve A LOT in order for...

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I always appreciate Michael Rodney...I don't always agree, but I usually do, and in this case, I couldn't agree more...

Notice what he says about Rodgers interest. I'm not the only guy saying it.

The Bears usually bring out the best in the Packers and the worst in Cutler. We're going to need that trend to continue. As Michael noted, 1-3 is a hole this team ain't digging out of...not sure they're digging out of 1-2.
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Laser Gunns
9 years ago
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evad04
9 years ago

I always appreciate Michael Rodney...I don't always agree, but I usually do, and in this case, I couldn't agree more...

Notice what he says about Rodgers interest. I'm not the only guy saying it.

The Bears usually bring out the best in the Packers and the worst in Cutler. We're going to need that trend to continue. As Michael noted, 1-3 is a hole this team ain't digging out of...not sure they're digging out of 1-2.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Well, as analyses go, making evaluations to how a player looks to be in it or not is pretty shallow. At least Rodney doesn't cite an MVP win, contract and commercial deal as reasons for Rodgers' supposed disinterest.
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all_about_da_packers
9 years ago

Notice what he says about Rodgers interest. I'm not the only guy saying it.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



So two people saying something can still make something wrong.

Fact: Our offense actually started to do a little bit when Rodgers became responsible for calling the plays in the 2nd half (as McCarthy indicated). The adjustment Rodgers made with Jordy on fourth down (that Rodgers threw behind Jordy) also shows Rodgers is anything but disinterested in the game.

I'm not sure what you mean to imply by "disinterested". I mean, the fact that Rodgers has been open to chewing out rookies after their mistakes (like Adams after he ran the wrong route) are pretty good examples of Rodgers being anything but "disinterested".

Rodgers deserves his share of the blame for his woes this season. Maybe something more serious is wrong with A-Rod, but the last thing I'm sure Rodgers has a problem with is his interest in the game.
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DoddPower
9 years ago

So two people saying something can still make something wrong.

Fact: Our offense actually started to do a little bit when Rodgers became responsible for calling the plays in the 2nd half (as McCarthy indicated). The adjustment Rodgers made with Jordy on fourth down (that Rodgers threw behind Jordy) also shows Rodgers is anything but disinterested in the game.

I'm not sure what you mean to imply by "disinterested". I mean, the fact that Rodgers has been open to chewing out rookies after their mistakes (like Adams after he ran the wrong route) are pretty good examples of Rodgers being anything but "disinterested".

Rodgers deserves his share of the blame for his woes this season. Maybe something more serious is wrong with A-Rod, but the last thing I'm sure Rodgers has a problem with is his interest in the game.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



Can't Aaron Rodgers just play bad? Kinda suck sometimes? Why try to make a bunch of crazy assumptions to explain why he didn't play well. I'm sure he's trying his best and is very interested. The guy doesn't like to lose. He just hasn't been playing well. It's very likely that simple.

As for the reasons why, I can give you four things that contribute much more to Rodgers' play recently than his interest level: 1.) Very bad offensive line play, 2.) receivers not getting enough separation, 3.) Running backs making poor decisions, and 4.) play calling. How many quarterbacks truly would play good behind this offensive line and lack of running game? I mean honestly? I'm not excusing Rodgers by any means. The guy sucked and he needs to play better. But so does everyone else on offense.
uffda udfa
9 years ago
So, the way Michael Rodney says exactly what I said makes what he said okay and the way I said it not okay? Michael Rodney is not constantly badgered by homers. His site is frequented by very knowledgeable and objective fans. That doesn't mean they all are, but the majority are those who aren't just rah rah types.

Do you see passion in Aaron Rodgers play? I watched Russell Wilson take the ball in his own hands late in the 4th and run, making several key plays on sheer desire. There is no reluctance in Russell Wilson to do what needs to be done to win. He is completely sold out to it and it shows in his play. I haven't seen much of that from Rodgers... I did see it vs. the Jets...the Barry Sanders-esque run comes to mind.

Chewing out rookies is pretty classless if you ask me. That doesn't indicate passion for the game, it indicates the desire to let the world know he didn't make the mistake someone else did. I like sideline fire, but public chiding when you know for sure the camera is on you is unbecoming of a leader.

Our team is not very good so when our superstar QB plays average our team looks really inept. He knows he has to play better. He made many references to lack of adjustments in his presser. He's clearly upset with someone on the coaching staff. Most likely MM. That frustration can lead to disinterest.

Again, I must ask...why are we terrible? If Mike McCarthy is saying he never felt so positive coming into a season why are we 1-2 and not looking good in any of our 1st three games? There is a reason for that. It isn't just nothing. Are we disinterested? Are we just not that good? Or...both?

This is the 3rd straight year we start 1-2. That's a trend...a disturbing trend just like one and done. Where is the fix coming from? OL...not good enough. Rodgers not very good this year. No TE to speak of. D looked very good.

The season rides next Sunday in Chicago. Will we answer the bell? That is a mystery.
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all_about_da_packers
9 years ago

Can't Aaron Rodgers just play bad? Kinda suck sometimes? Why try to make a bunch of crazy assumptions to explain why he didn't play well. I'm sure he's trying his best and is very interested. The guy doesn't like to lose. He just hasn't been playing well. It's very likely that simple.

As for the reasons why, I can give you four things that contribute much more to Rodgers' play recently than his interest level: 1.) Very bad offensive line play, 2.) receivers not getting enough separation, 3.) Running backs making poor decisions, and 4.) play calling. How many quarterbacks truly would play good behind this offensive line and lack of running game? I mean honestly? I'm not excusing Rodgers by any means. The guy sucked and he needs to play better. But so does everyone else on offense.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I think personnel and execution are definitely two big reasons, but each week it's looking like something is off with Rodgers himself.

1. Rodgers had 5 underthrown balls today, based on ESPN Stats. This after he had 6 last week, the most of his career.

2. He's made very un-Rodgers like plays lately. For one, Rodgers seems allergic to RB checkdowns thus far. For a QB who prides himself on taking care of the ball, taking checkdowns and giving the RBs a chance to do something would make sense. Especially given Cover-2, having the RBs get to the second level might open more things up.

3. Rodgers has had a tendency to hold the ball too long in the past. But this season, he seems to being that more. Maybe it's a combination of not taking checkdowns and receivers just not getting open like they did in the past, but Rodgers seems more inclined to pull the ball down and try to escape the pocket when the pocket seems to be collapsing. Of course, there is also the 7-second sack he took last week as well -- a very uncharacteristic play for Rodgers. Rodgers seems averse to taking taking whatever he can get (including throwing the ball away) and trying again the next snap.

Elite QBs are entitled to have bad games. I don't doubt Rodgers has the ability and drive to get his play on track to what we expect of him, but I cannot recall his play being this sub-par for this prolonged a period of time. That is what is odd about Rodgers thus far; his presence doesn't feel quite the same as it has in years past.
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evad04
9 years ago

So, the way Michael Rodney says exactly what I said makes what he said okay and the way I said it not okay? Michael Rodney is not constantly badgered by homers. His site is frequented by very knowledgeable and objective fans. That doesn't mean they all are, but the majority are those who aren't just rah rah types.

Do you see passion in Aaron Rodgers play? I watched Russell Wilson take the ball in his own hands late in the 4th and run, making several key plays on sheer desire. There is no reluctance in Russell Wilson to do what needs to be done to win. He is completely sold out to it and it shows in his play. I haven't seen much of that from Rodgers... I did see it vs. the Jets...the Barry Sanders-esque run comes to mind.

Chewing out rookies is pretty classless if you ask me. That doesn't indicate passion for the game, it indicates the desire to let the world know he didn't make the mistake someone else did. I like sideline fire, but public chiding when you know for sure the camera is on you is unbecoming of a leader.

Our team is not very good so when our superstar QB plays average our team looks really inept. He knows he has to play better. He made many references to lack of adjustments in his presser. He's clearly upset with someone on the coaching staff. Most likely MM. That frustration can lead to disinterest.

Again, I must ask...why are we terrible? If Mike McCarthy is saying he never felt so positive coming into a season why are we 1-2 and not looking good in any of our 1st three games? There is a reason for that. It isn't just nothing. Are we disinterested? Are we just not that good? Or...both?

This is the 3rd straight year we start 1-2. That's a trend...a disturbing trend just like one and done. Where is the fix coming from? OL...not good enough. Rodgers not very good this year. No TE to speak of. D looked very good.

The season rides next Sunday in Chicago. Will we answer the bell? That is a mystery.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 


You and the esteemed Mr. Rodney didn't say the same thing. Okay, there's Delusion No. 1. He said Rodgers looked ordinary (a true statement) and disinterested at times (a subjective observation, couldn't we all agree). You said he's unmotivated, citing an offseason contract extension and some yammering about complacency post Super Bowl and MVP and State Farm commercials. So it's disingenuous to decry that you and Rodney are saying the same thing.

"Constantly badgered by homers" -- wow, you're a piece of work.

Tom Brady chews out his guys. So does Manning. Those guys must be demonstrating poor leadership as well.

As per Rodgers' "obvious" frustration with the coaches, it should be again noted that Mike McCarthy relinquished a lot of play-calling duties to A-Rod in the second half. So if he was disappointed in adjustments, that should fall upon himself and his teammates.

William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
evad04
9 years ago
My goodness, AADP. Reasoned analysis without baseless conjecture. Pinch me, I must be dreaming.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
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Smokey
9 years ago
I see posters running around pointing that the sky is falling. Looking in every wrong direction for the wrong answers. The right answer was plain to those that watched the Detroit game. Our O and D-lines were taken to school. ALL, I repeat ALL other positions begin and end with the line play. On Offense the running attack hinges upon the O-line play as does the passing game. On defence, stopping the run begins with the D-line as does the pass rush. Yes, there are plays pointed out where there was a sack or a great catch was made, but they are great individual efforts, not part of the problem. Too much focus is placed on the "star" positions, I say examine the foundation before you buy the house.
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