Kevin is there a way to see your very first post on here? I am curious to see what mine was lol. Probably something like Ted Thompson sucks and so does Mike McCarthy and why the hell aren't we drafting a wr.

Nevermind this only goes back to 2010 and imagine that Imy first comment was on nonstops boobs thread lol

Check it out . I would like to add that Aaron Rodgers won MVP twice AND also won Super Bowl MVP. You sure look silly now after all this brilliant hindsight wisdom!!

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As a guy who feels like an outsider, I can tell you one of the worst things about any forum is the cliques that are well formed turning off any and all new posters. This is one of the reasons 68md likes the word "troll". That word protects the clique from the opinions of outsiders and creates a herd mentality and feeding frenzy against the new unwanted visitor. Now, this only applies to new members who have a dissenting point of view. If the new poster is perfectly in line, and often they become that way because they lurk for awhile to see what is acceptable and what isn't. What you get left with is a forum like 68md's...it's a cult of sameness. I was there and unwelcome because I had 180 views from their clique membership. Of course, I just had to be a troll because I didn't like Davante Adams, wasn't high on TT, etc. and they didn't want to hear it. I was a troll and beat a dead horse but had I said positive things about Davante, TT, etc...there would've been no dead horse beat. That only comes up when the opinion is unpopular. When something unpopular is posted ONCE is enough for the clique board who doesn't appreciate such expressions. Any further expression of your "negative" opinion is beating a dead horse. I have seen this ridiculousness played out on any fan board everywhere I've ever been.

People should always feel free to express themselves on a forum, but, alas, this is "someone's" forum that they built and that real person behind it has leanings and ideas that sometimes make it hard for a new person to feel welcome. I've always hated that about ANY type of forum. This one does the best job of allowing free expression but it goes through periods where the rank and file are reporting posts like crazy and then the site creator feels compelled to act because his long and trusted clique of members isn't liking what is being posted to them. That clique only wants those who are like minded and ultimately the person who brings a different perspective is banished and the board celebrates as if it's rid itself of some evil when the real evil is the idea that everyone should see things the same. Makes for a really, really, really bad and uninteresting board. A feel good buddy club...like sitting at Cheers talking to Woody or Sam. There's only so many barstools to go around and there ain't one reserved for a dissenter.

Honestly, that is why I think there should be a subforum for members who aren't the typical fan type. To me, it just makes good sense. It isn't saying one group is better than another rather it's acknowledging the truth that doesn't want to be acknowledged...that there is a strong bent for ONE type of fan and opinion here. That's great. It's not great when that is kept in the shadows and there's all this pretense that we're all the same ...we're all just fans nobody better than another. Absolutely. Nobody is better...BUT...there are groups who are DIFFERENT and those different type posters aren't truly welcome. Never have been, never will be...they are tolerated and never accepted until some moment where the tolerance wears thin and they are banished. This really needs to be acknowledged and admitted...that, in fact, this board does desire one type of opinion and that is of the Packers flattering variety. Now, Kevin I don't direct that at you, perse, but your membership overwhelmingly desires that and it puts you in a tough spot. I get it but let's be honest about what is wanted here. Guys like me gone.

If there was a forum for guys like Dakota and myself that is the only place I would post. I wouldn't even bother the Buckeyes of the world that swoon with every single thing this org does and praise it and spin it positively.

Kevin...heck, shoot me a PM. Let me know how much it would cost me to have you host a site for me. A place like Michael Rodney's PackersNotes would be good for me. I can just write pieces on my site and can leave commentary open below. That way, I'm and hopefully others like me are off your board where nobody really wants me/them anyway and the issue of harmony and feeling like a family comes back.

Preface sorry Kevin but he took the gloves off..you stood around and let him take a pot shot so be it.

You sir MR Uffda... Counter ... Packtion! and a host of other screen names you've posted under all over. First off you need to refresh your memory. You were in great standing on "my site" until you pitched your little hissy fit and got a one week vaca. Than instead of manning up you took your ball and went home. You got your hinder tossed out of news.net and it's uncensored and unmoderated sister(To name just a few) forum for and I am quoting the owner directly " He was a real word twister. Sports radio background and therefore loved to be provocative and take outrageous stands and burn topics 15 pages deep. Tended to play the victim when you tried to reign him in. "

That's you big boy... it's ALWAYS someone else never your damn fault. My site is what it is ... but that crap your trying to sell above is nothing more then you pouting because you think I called you out when in fact I was generalizing. It's not always about you Uffda ... your opinion is just that yours and your entitled to it but geez you don't ALWAYS have to have the last word.

And by the way I take great pride in my site and it's corner bar feel.. If you don't like it fine but IMHO it takes a real prick to take the cheap shot you did.


I keep making the mistake that PH is the site it was years ago when I could log in jump into a conversation.. say hi to a few old friends ( none of them post here anymore) and it was fun.

Now ..well shit look above. Apologize to all the old regulars for the OT rant.

Preface sorry Kevin but he took the gloves off..you stood around and let him take a pot shot so be it.

You sir MR Uffda... Counter ... Packtion! and a host of other screen names you've posted under all over. First off you need to refresh your memory. You were in great standing on "my site" until you pitched your little hissy fit and got a one week vaca. Than instead of manning up you took your ball and went home. You got your hinder tossed out of news.net and it's uncensored and unmoderated sister(To name just a few) forum for and I am quoting the owner directly " He was a real word twister. Sports radio background and therefore loved to be provocative and take outrageous stands and burn topics 15 pages deep. Tended to play the victim when you tried to reign him in. "

That's you big boy... it's ALWAYS someone else never your damn fault. My site is what it is ... but that crap your trying to sell above is nothing more then you pouting because you think I called you out when in fact I was generalizing. It's not always about you Uffda ... your opinion is just that yours and your entitled to it but geez you don't ALWAYS have to have the last word.

And by the way I take great pride in my site and it's corner bar feel.. If you don't like it fine but IMHO it takes a real prick to take the cheap shot you did.


I keep making the mistake that PH is the site it was years ago when I could log in jump into a conversation.. say hi to a few old friends ( none of them post here anymore) and it was fun.

Now ..well shit look above. Apologize to all the old regulars for the OT rant.

What's your site, 68md, if I may ask?

I'm one person who "hyena'd" Ufda, and it's mainly because of his repetitive argumentation and the way he twists around people who try to reason with him. I don't feel I'm part of a clique that plots against him. In fact, it's mainly because of Dakota that I haven't done it again, although frankly I don't think he's been as bad.

I don't think Ufda trolls on purpose, I just think that's how he is as a person. 🤣

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Preface sorry Kevin but he took the gloves off..you stood around and let him take a pot shot so be it.

You sir MR Uffda... Counter ... Packtion! and a host of other screen names you've posted under all over. First off you need to refresh your memory. You were in great standing on "my site" until you pitched your little hissy fit and got a one week vaca. Than instead of manning up you took your ball and went home. You got your hinder tossed out of news.net and it's uncensored and unmoderated sister(To name just a few) forum for and I am quoting the owner directly " He was a real word twister. Sports radio background and therefore loved to be provocative and take outrageous stands and burn topics 15 pages deep. Tended to play the victim when you tried to reign him in. "

That's you big boy... it's ALWAYS someone else never your damn fault. My site is what it is ... but that crap your trying to sell above is nothing more then you pouting because you think I called you out when in fact I was generalizing. It's not always about you Uffda ... your opinion is just that yours and your entitled to it but geez you don't ALWAYS have to have the last word.

And by the way I take great pride in my site and it's corner bar feel.. If you don't like it fine but IMHO it takes a real prick to take the cheap shot you did.


I keep making the mistake that PH is the site it was years ago when I could log in jump into a conversation.. say hi to a few old friends ( none of them post here anymore) and it was fun.

Now ..well shit look above. Apologize to all the old regulars for the OT rant.

Potshot? 68, with all due respect, it was you who passive aggressively named me in your "troll" comment earlier in this thread. What I said about your site I stand firmly behind with no regrets. That is what happened. You want to go revisionist. It was my own doing I got booted. Yup...because I wouldn't go all sugar same which is what you desired. It was fine for your membership to blast my opinions but if I chose to respond I was beating a dead horse. That's laughable. Me man up? Seriously. I could point to our PM's on this very site to that issue. You went bananas over what I typed about Richard Rodgers and was hell bent on proving to me I was wrong, or have you forgotten? You couldn't stand that I ripped RR's pedestrian speed. Why? It happens to be true. That isn't an opinion but what I state is counter to what your perception of truth is and that upsets you.

Kevin, fortunately, has allowed me to post my honest views here. Many other sites don't want what I'm selling. It's "anti Packers flattering" so it's unwelcome about everywhere. I don't troll as you falsely and self protectingly allege. I already detailed for you why how your board operates is incorrect so lest I be accused of beating that dead horse, although I feel compelled, because you're blustering against the truth I'll just leave it here.

We both know why I don't post on your board and if you want to put that on me that's fine but it's not the truth.

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Not to worry, Troy. I'm not up to posting many novels anymore.

Not because of the site's change, evolution or whatever people call it. I miss this or that poster, but I like the place a lot still. It's still a valuable community for me, more valuable to the one where I work. It's still a destination site.

I just don't have much to say any more. Why? Dunno. Too many brain cells have died as a result of a llfetime of bad habits, early Alzheimer's, bad teeth, who knows?🤷

Plus of course most PH people, new or old, already know of my opinions on the need for OL improvement, domination v. finesse, religion, education, and the whack job species called Politicianus Americanus.

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Potshot? 68, with all due respect, it was you who passive aggressively named me in your "troll" comment earlier in this thread. What I said about your site I stand firmly behind with no regrets. That is what happened. You want to go revisionist. It was my own doing I got booted. Yup...because I wouldn't go all sugar same which is what you desired. It was fine for your membership to blast my opinions but if I chose to respond I was beating a dead horse. That's laughable. Me man up? Seriously. I could point to our PM's on this very site to that issue. You went bananas over what I typed about Richard Rodgers and was hell bent on proving to me I was wrong, or have you forgotten? You couldn't stand that I ripped RR's pedestrian speed. Why? It happens to be true. That isn't an opinion but what I state is counter to what your perception of truth is and that upsets you.

Kevin, fortunately, has allowed me to post my honest views here. Many other sites don't want what I'm selling. It's "anti Packers flattering" so it's unwelcome about everywhere. I don't troll as you falsely and self protectingly allege. I already detailed for you why how your board operates is incorrect so lest I be accused of beating that dead horse, although I feel compelled, because you're blustering against the truth I'll just leave it here.

We both know why I don't post on your board and if you want to put that on me that's fine but it's not the truth.

So RR's dad is a coach on the Panthers, from what I hear. He told one of our beat reporters, (McGinn?) at the SB that RR was playing at 270lbs this year.

Dad says he's gonna slim down and improve his speed for next year.

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I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with my opinions. What DOES bother me is when they name call. This usually happens when they push over and over their opinions, and can't get me to say how they are right and I'm stupid.
A lot of the time they don't give any real reason why they think they are so right, they just feel they are superior somehow to me.
I don't think I'm any better then anyone else.
I do however have my beliefs, which I came by through by years and years of thought and personal experience .
I used to allow myself to be bullied.
You can't allow a bully to control you.

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About 8-10 years ago I was going on a number of different Packers site. About 8 yeas ago I came across PH. For about the last 7 years this is the only site I go to, other than to get info off the official Packer's site. Off the Packer site you only get info they want you to have, fine for that. I get much more here. Obviously, I believe this is a great site.

There are a number of reasons I come here almost exclusively but most important is the people. Almost all are good people and knowledgeable and passionate Packer fans. Sometime this passion, and sometimes their personality gets overbearing. So I try to understand or ignore that when it happens. Name calling or getting personal has no place on a good forum. My perception is that, that is ignorance trying to express itself at best.

There are quite a few really good posts on this thread which I applauded. If Kevin as ideas to make this site better-great. If we take comments made on the thread to heart it will get better. My only idea is to discuss the way you would with family and friends face to face. That should help-hopefully.

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I've only skimmed a good portion of posts (my time is limited and I will read each thoroughly), but I wanted to say those who feel the site is great. THANK YOU. You haven't any idea how much this means to me and how encouraging it is. I admit that a few who constantly label the entire fan base visiting PH have worn on me. I never wanted to be that person who needs "reassurance" he was doing something positive, but I guess it is just nice to see others appreciate the effort that's put into a creation and passion of mine.

Keep the opinions, both good and bad coming. What you like, what you don't like and things in between. Even if said already, it's good to have it said again, regardless of it being positive or negative.

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I've only skimmed a good portion of posts (my time is limited and I will read each thoroughly), but I wanted to say those who feel the site is great. THANK YOU. You haven't any idea how much this means to me and how encouraging it is. I admit that a few who constantly label the entire fan base visiting PH have worn on me. I never wanted to be that person who needs "reassurance" he was doing something positive, but I guess it is just nice to see others appreciate the effort that's put into a creation and passion of mine.

Keep the opinions, both good and bad coming. What you like, what you don't like and things in between. Even if said already, it's good to have it said again, regardless of it being positive or negative.

Well, when guys like dhazer, Dakota and myself hail the site itself as fantastic you truly must be doing something right because are there really any other posters as "negative" as us 3?

Positive and negatives alike can enjoy this site...we won't really get along all that well but we can all be united in this is the best Packers site out there. I should know...I've been banned from most of them! 😁

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Not to worry, Troy. I'm not up to posting many novels anymore.

Not because of the site's change, evolution or whatever people call it. I miss this or that poster, but I like the place a lot still. It's still a valuable community for me, more valuable to the one where I work. It's still a destination site.

I just don't have much to say any more. Why? Dunno. Too many brain cells have died as a result of a llfetime of bad habits, early Alzheimer's, bad teeth, who knows?🤷

Plus of course most PH people, new or old, already know of my opinions on the need for OL improvement, domination v. finesse, religion, education, and the whack job species called Politicianus Americanus.

I think you've dumped all your knowledge out already. 😂 I"m just getting started. 😉

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Making changes... always difficult.

I have had countless conversations with Zero over the years on this site and many times life in general. Some in public, some not. Through it all, I can say one thing with certainty; his heart is always in the right place in terms of making this a friendly place to kick back and talk Packers, joke a bit and also wax about life in general. There is a blend of patience, dedication and just plain work piled into it; but at the end of the day, we the posters of the site really control the quality of the discussions here.

During the peak of my involvement here... it had a different feel than it has had over say the last 18 months or so. Probably a little longer than that, but there was also some slipping prior. And none of that has anything to do with the site itself.. the features, the structure.

It slipped because like society as a whole, we collectively started to respect one another less and less.. instead of reading a counter post for what it is, we all read in more to it than was meant. Slowly we started to allow rift raft to join whose pure mission was to argue and more importantly target posters in place of topics. Cycled over and over... getting a bit more personal post after post.

Got to the point where even we couldn't come to a consensus of how to handle the "problem" poster. Long term members left... then a few more... some much more patience than I stayed and continued on with the discussions.

Yeah, I realize I am rambling... so I shall get to the point. Kevin can try to drive home as much change as he can... but unless the core members that drive much of the content can't respect each other to allow another to post their opinions freely, those effort to change will fall short.

Talk to the topic, refrain from turning the discussion towards a poster and understand the passion each of us have for different topics. Discuss, disagree, post and counter, but if nothing else find a bit of respect for one another. Have a bit of fun.. laugh and joke... this should be a break from the trials of life.. not another layer.

That can shit can those whose only mission is to stir the pot... pretty easy to spot them, that should be the main focus of the moderators, removing the trolls.

Oh... and Kevin, trust those that are willing to help, they wouldn't offer if they didn't care and understand that it will not always be a sweet reward at the end.

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During the peak of my involvement here... it had a different feel than it has had over say the last 18 months or so. Probably a little longer than that, but there was also some slipping prior. And none of that has anything to do with the site itself.. the features, the structure.

Got to the point where even we couldn't come to a consensus of how to handle the "problem" poster. Long term members left... then a few more... some much more patience than I stayed and continued on with the discussions.

That can shit can those whose only mission is to stir the pot... pretty easy to spot them, that should be the main focus of the moderators, removing the trolls.

It would be helpful if you shared who you think the problem is. This is a no holds barred out of the shadows above board post on how to fix this place or make it better. The above doesn't get that done...it makes veiled accusations. Remove the veil so when someone assumes it's them it can't be said that it's really all about them.

You were one I considered one of the more intelligent voices here, yet, you were the same voice comparing Jarrett Boykin to Alshon Jeffery saying they were basically the same player. I will put that out of the shadows. Is this to "stir the pot" or "troll"? No. You haven't a clue what a troll is. Here is what a troll is not...

A person with a a strong opinion that is vastly different than yours who is not afraid to tell you about it.

I'm not sorry if me getting on to you about calling Boykin Jeffery is why you left here. I do agree that it has to be determined what you want this site to be. Do you want it to be a place where guys like Davante Adams is being compared to Sterling Sharpe and Jarrett Boykin being compared to Alshon Jeffery or do we want maybe a touch more balance. Sure, everyone has an opinion and the two in this paragraph were two of them but they were both insane to me and I posted as much. How is that trolling? You want to set your hair on fire and I tell you that's stupid and will hurt don't scream TROLL! ...and I'm just as entitled to my opinion as yours. Yes, yes, you are but you should be willing and able to take the scrutiny of what your post contains within. If you can't you're very likely to scream TROLL!... Pot Stirrer! because you have nothing to come back with an to avoid looking dim and uneducated you have to shift the focus off yourself and put it onto the person with the more intelligent opinion. Honestly, let's get it out in the open...while not the smartest guy in the world if you want to quantify Packers intelligence some are not very high on that list at all. That's a reality. How do you handle that when you have some way above the curve here and many well below. Should those atop the curve dumb down their postings to not hurt the feelings of those below the curve? No. Absolutely, not, or you get a dumber board. I like to harp on Nerd as he's omnipresent here. Almost without fail within every thread he's in he posts something that is simply and patently false. IE: Richard Rodgers was told to stand at the 10 yard line in Detroit for a deflected ball. Those kind of wrong and false statements follow him all over this board. If I come along and tell him that isn't true am I troll or pot stirrer or am I someone trying to post the truth?

Do you really want a dumber board where fantasy and wishes rule the day here or do you want a board that's smarter and more balanced in it's thinking. If you go for the latter, it will alienate all the posters (many) who can't hang in such a forum as they just don't have the knowledge some here do. OR... do you want the dumb board that punishes people for being more balanced and intelligent? OR... could you possibly have both? If you go with both there will always be conflict because the group below the curve is always going to feel hurt and hurl names at those who are brighter than they are. It's a dissuader to them posting because they have to live in fear their factless fantasy posts are going to held up to the light. When that happens then the below the curve poster starts hollering...TROLL!...Pot stirrer!...etc.

If you really want to fix that then know thyself. If everyone played within the confines of where they are this place would be fine. It absolutely falls apart when someone is pretending to be something they're not and wants accolades from the board for feigning to be brighter than they are like Nerd does all the time with the very inaccurate things he posts. Does that make him happy when someone like me posts something that counters what he said and makes him look ridiculous. No. Why would it especially if the aim is to try being somebody around here. I would want guys like me gone too so I could feel bigger than I am. I give deference to Barfarn in certain areas as he does things I do not and I understand that. I don't think he's a troll or a pot stirrer at all and I question what he writes all the time. That usually causes him to go full on name calling with taunts of caveman and DSM disorders. What a world. You'll notice the only things I've ever done is try to quantify poster type here...as in mentalities. They're right on. Nobody likes it but it's spot on. It's easier to spot someone with a positive less reality based perspective than it is a "troll". I've yet to see a troll on this board.

Know thyself... don't get offended if you're corrected. If you feel you need to leave because the board has gotten too smart for you that's sad. There is no winning posts. I want to provide perspective and ones I feel passionately about whether they're positive or negatively perceived.

I can just see the replies...Who does he think he is...he thinks he's God's gift, he thinks he's smarter, etc. One just has to ask themselves minus emotion if any of that is really true. In my case, I don't believe I'm God's gift to the forum but I do think my level of understanding is above the majority here. I've been closely following this team for a long long time. The irony is is that people who know very little about their Packers are crying and demanding respect as a poster while completely trying to take it away from those who they know happen to know so much more than they do. It's inverse and perverse. Not a good culture.

Barfarn works here because he's mostly posting positive things about the Packers save for Rodgers this season. Ironic he can rip Rodgers, the franchise, and he doesn't get labeled the way I do but I guess he's done enough feel good stuff on other players that he's built up some immunity.

Finally, it is okay to be wrong. This isn't personal...nobody is anybody here in the sense of being a big shot nor should desire it or act as if they are. Just be who you are.

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uffda udfa - No insult intended... but I could care less if I was wrong about a player. Or if you called me upon it... your rant is rather funny to me as it is all built on your thinking it had anything to do with what I was talking about. Nice rant... wrong direction.

And personally I don't consider you a troll in the least... strong opinions and likes to repeat themselves endlessly to try and prove themselves right maybe... but not a troll.

A troll to me is simply a person that has one agenda... to endlessly try an draw the attention to their posts to disrupt the flow of discussion. Many times something inflammatory and maybe even off the subject at hand. One filled with more insults than opinion.

There wasn't a reason or poster that I left for... I simply left because it no longer was a diversion from life, the experience here was just simply not fun. When the drama started to creep past my visiting this site... it was time to remove it for a while.

Threads with posters flinging insults back and a dearth of actual discussions about the topics raised. Derailed thread after thread... constant bickering. That isn't meaningful at all.

Now on your post, you realize there are ways to discuss a topic without treading into the personal realm. You overvalue Jefferies... a nice player but not a game changer... still isn't. My opinion at that time was the Boykins had the physical makeup to be that same type player... not a special player in any meaning. For whatever reason he stopped improving and developing... a guy with that size and hands... should have been a player that wins battles for the football in the intermediate depth. He didn't realize it.. so be it. But the rub here... even years later, you seemingly are keeping score. Why would be the question. But apparently kudos for you... pretty sure not the first time I was incorrect about a player.

I don't want a un-intelligent board, but I certainly don't feel it my place to keep that scorecard of when people were right or wrong. Hell, I have never seen a GM in this sport bat 1.000 yet. Speak to the topics, passionately even, but simply try to refrain from making it personal... sure emotion will tempt... might even cause a misstep.. but simply try to keep the topic on point.. the topic.

Lastly... why the hell are you so sensitive to the word troll?

The reason I don't name names, just simply isn't my style.. never has been.

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What I find offensive about Ufda is:

1: Can't ever admit he's wrong.

2: Doesn't let it die. We get it, you disagree.

3: Subsequently attacks on a personal level.

Want my opinion? You have to face your limitations as a poster when I post...same goes for when Barfarn does it. It's kind of like me running against a guy who runs 4.4. I could bluster all day about how that guy sucks at running and I'm just as fast as he is but when the time comes to actually run the 4.4 guy is going to blow away the guy who is just all talk so you know what? The guy with the big mouth will never actually agree to a race.

I asked you something quite simple if I'm always twisting things. The request should be simple. It isn't because it's a protection for you that you can hide behind just like not running vs. the guy with 4.4 speed.

He can't just agree to disagree. Now he's insisting he's smarter than me. I can't cope with it, so now I'm the one twisting things around. He probably genuinely believes he is both smarter than everybody and right. But he just can't stop there.

The real truth, Nerd, is it bothers you there are guys like me out here who won't let you play big shot on forum. You know with me around your posts are going to be checked for accuracy and that's unnerving when you're trying to prove to everyone you're a guru but throwing out statements all over that have no basis in reality and can be easily refuted with some ever present facts.

I mean come on man. We can't call each other a dumbass but we can go on and on and on like THAT? Get over it dude. Nobody F'n cares what you think anymore. 🤣

If you want my opinion as to whether you "twist things," I'll give it to you. But if you don't want it, then don't F'n ask for it.

Back to IGNORE.

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