Zero2Cool
7 years ago
Nick Perry is good and is probably going to be gone. He just can't stay healthy and that's his hold up. Some think he turned it on for his final year. That's not true. He was just healthy.
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7 years ago

Nick Perry is good and is probably going to be gone. He just can't stay healthy and that's his hold up. Some think he turned it on for his final year. That's not true. He was just healthy.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Agreed, even in his rookie injury plagued season he flashed some good pass rush. I remember watching him dominate the Colts when I was Costa Rica haha. Health is the big factor. If he takes a team friendlier deal (which I would not.... I would take every last scrap possible) then I'm happy to bring him back. I don't think I'd go over 8-9mil per year though.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
How much would y'all be willing to pay to keep him on the team? His market value appears to be 8.5million average. Even if structured cap friendly now, I wouldn't expect his 2017 cap hit to be under 6 million.


The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
7 years ago

How much would y'all be willing to pay to keep him on the team? His market value appears to be 8.5million average. Even if structured cap friendly now, I wouldn't expect his 2017 cap hit to be under 6 million.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I'd love him to come cheaper than 9 and think that is reasonable banking on potential.
jlyons043
7 years ago
Wait people would actually be okay with Fackrell, D.Jones, and Clay as our OLBs? 😲

In what world is Datone Jones ascending? I guess if 1 sack in over 500 snaps, and being generally invisible throughout the year is ascending then the whole D should feel real good about themselves

Fackrell will be 26 in the middle of next season. WOW - go check his goal line play against Washington lol

And then there's Clay who is nothing more than a shell of what he used to be. The guy can't play OLB without getting injured, and he's being paid like a top player at his position.


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7 years ago
At OLB, I believe we need 3 starters plus a developing Fackrell and maybe Elliot; Clay and Datone would be solid to great as 2. But, we need one more [Connor Barwin, if Perry gets overpaid].

On Jones you go by sacks, I WATCHED Jones play after dropping some weight and going through his FIRST camp at OLB. My grades show he took a huge leap the last 6 games of the season, he was outstanding v. Detroit. There is no question that Jones is ascending as an OLB.

But, let’s consider ALL the stats, not just sacks.

Ingram had: 8 sacks, 29 pressures, 6 stuffs, 46 tackles, 14 assists, 5 passes defended, 5 FF in 2016 on 959 snaps.

Adjusting so Jones had 959 snaps: 2 sacks, 29 pressures; 4 stuffs; 4 PD; 35 tackles 10 assists [Actual: 1 sack, 14 pressures; 2 stuffs; 2 PD; 17 tackles 5 assists on 461 snaps]. If we take his stats the last 4 games and adjust those to 959 snaps; he beats/ties Ingram in every stats category but FFs.

These stats and my grades demonstrate Jones was not Ingram, but was not too far behind in 2016. His deficiencies were in the run game; though at times he was unblockable. As far as disrupting the QB he was quite good and outstanding in his last 6 reg. season games.

And on Clay’s deal: To say Ted signed him to a great deal by pointing to the contract’s 1st year 6M cap figure is just as silly as pointing to his 15M cap figure this year and saying he’s overpaid. The reality is we got Clay for 2 years 11M per; this is not an overpay, if Collins is worth 12.5M per.
jlyons043
7 years ago
Adjusting Jones stats to elevate him to Ingram is almost as nuts as you calling him near 'unblockable at times'. Near unblockable should produce into more than 1 sack all year
gbguy20
7 years ago
When people suggest just riding in with "a bunch of guys" it makes me wonder how anyone can say a bad thing about Ted. Bitch that he doesn't stock the team well enough and then suggest letting people go and using a bunch of guys instead. If he does that we'll never hear the end of it. Bookmark this thread for later
nerdmann
7 years ago

Adjusting Jones stats to elevate him to Ingram is almost as nuts as you calling him near 'unblockable at times'. Near unblockable should produce into more than 1 sack all year

Originally Posted by: jlyons043 



Datone is looking WAY better than Kampman did when he first converted to OLB. It's a process.
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Cheesey
7 years ago
I wish we could redo the whole defense. I don't see anyone that was outstanding.
Of course that can't happen.
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