yooperfan
11 years ago

I say, do what gives you the best chance to score more points than the other team. When you have a QB that easily could have broke a 130 season passer rating if his receivers had a league-average drop rate, why would you run the ball? When your defense is a bend rather than break defense (that often broke), why rely on eating up the clock instead of just taking the points? How many teams did we play last year had a passing or rushing offense that was more effective at scoring than our passing offense?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



The Packers of 2011 scored to fast and so often that they had to send their pathetic defense back out onto the field way to quick.
Run the damn ball and eat up the clock and give that pathetic defense a breather.
Running the damn ball also gives our great QB who has been hit too many times in his young career a few less tooth rattleing hits a game.
RUN THE DAMN BALL!

Porforis
11 years ago

The Packers of 2011 scored to fast and so often that they had to send their pathetic defense back out onto the field way to quick.
Run the damn ball and eat up the clock and give that pathetic defense a breather.
Running the damn ball also gives our great QB who has been hit too many times in his young career a few less tooth rattleing hits a game.
RUN THE DAMN BALL!

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



http://www.packershome.com/tabid/63/g/posts/t/14549/The-much-maligned-Packer-passing-D.aspx 
macbob
11 years ago

"Throughout the entire Mike Sherman era, I figured he fell into the #1 category. I was not happy with that guy, and felt we could have won more SBs with a more balanced, ball control commitment to the run.

After Favre's tenure here, I realized it might not have been Sherman at all, but rather Favre checking out of designated running plays to throw the ball instead
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PTW,

You really should go back and check the stats.

Mike Sherman built one of the better offensive lines in Packer History, with the addition of Ahman Green, The Packers were near the top of the league in rushing.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Agree with buckeye on that. He should especially look at 2003. 507 rushes to 473 pass attempts, 2558 rushing yards to 3377 passing yards.

Agree with Zombie also, this has been beat to death over and over. McCarthy's (& Rodgers') play-calling mixed pass & run very nicely, and did a superb job of keeping defenses off balance.


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macbob
11 years ago

The Packers of 2011 scored to fast and so often that they had to send their pathetic defense back out onto the field way to quick.
Run the damn ball and eat up the clock and give that pathetic defense a breather.
Running the damn ball also gives our great QB who has been hit too many times in his young career a few less tooth rattleing hits a game.
RUN THE DAMN BALL!

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



2011 the Packers pass/run ratio was 58%/42%. We weren't particularly a pass-happy team (though it may have seemed to be because our passing game was more efficient than our running game).

We HAVE changed the flavor of the run game to greater emphasis on draw plays from the shotgun vs U71 smashmouth. I think a part of that was due to switching to the ZBS, which caused problems on many fronts (smaller OL men, so it was more difficult to smashmouth; OL difficulty all getting on the same page/executing, etc). And I think a part of that was Mike McCarthy putting less emphasis on the run than Mike Sherman. Can you even picture Mike McCarthy going through an entire season with more rush attempts than pass attempts (Sherman 2003)?


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nerdmann
11 years ago

2011 the Packers pass/run ratio was 58%/42%. We weren't particularly a pass-happy team (though it may have seemed to be because our passing game was more efficient than our running game).

We HAVE changed the flavor of the run game to greater emphasis on draw plays from the shotgun vs U71 smashmouth. I think a part of that was due to switching to the ZBS, which caused problems on many fronts (smaller OL men, so it was more difficult to smashmouth; OL difficulty all getting on the same page/executing, etc). And I think a part of that was Mike McCarthy putting less emphasis on the run than Mike Sherman. Can you even picture Mike McCarthy going through an entire season with more rush attempts than pass attempts (Sherman 2003)?

Originally Posted by: macbob 



Does that % include runs by our QB?
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play2win
11 years ago

"Throughout the entire Mike Sherman era, I figured he fell into the #1 category. I was not happy with that guy, and felt we could have won more SBs with a more balanced, ball control commitment to the run.

After Favre's tenure here, I realized it might not have been Sherman at all, but rather Favre checking out of designated running plays to throw the ball instead
."

PTW,

You really should go back and check the stats.

Mike Sherman built one of the better offensive lines in Packer History, with the addition of Ahman Green, The Packers were near the top of the league in rushing.

I do believe Sherman ran a "true" West Coast Offense, where there was very little checking out of plays at the line.

You are correct in saying the game has changed.

With the new rules which make the qb and wr's almost untouchable, The offense has become. IMHO, way to wide open, but a good OC and QB is gonna take what is given them.

I think that I have read where Aaron Rodgers has the option on almost every play to check out at the line, you can't fault him when he has been so successful.


I also know that no matter how the game has changed, when the weather changes and teams are making their playoff runs, they better have a better than average running game to be successful.

This is what worries me about going into this year, too many changes in the O-line and a lot of ?'s at the RB position.

Hopefully it will all get straightened out during Training camp.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 




Well, I know the rush was prolific during those days, overall. Believe me, I've beaten this sucker to death over the years too. I failed to mention "when it mattered most, in some of our most important games." That's all I'm going to say about that era.

1. My bigger point was, more emphasis on running the ball would create more balance to our offense, extend drives and time of possession, and probably save Rodgers some by forcing defenses into a more honest approach, one where they would have to honor the run rather than blitz. I think this could help our defense stay more rested and ready as well.

I agree with you on the state of our OL, with a lot of moving parts at the moment, as well as "who exactly" is going to carry the rock for us?

2. Another part of my point in starting this thread, was the changing philosophies overall pervading in today's NFL with regards to this being a "passing league." Conversely, opposing defenses are gearing more towards adding those players to their rosters who are more adept at stopping the pass. Lighter, faster ends geared towards pass rush; quicker, taller LBs more adept in coverage than stopping the run; more ball skills in the secondaries v. "tackling in space" ability. Makes me wonder if it wouldn't be a good time to throw more smashmouth running plays into the mix, forcing teams outside their "new" comfort zones, which are primarily stopping the pass. Maybe catch some teams off-guard, as most design their defenses towards us to stop our juggernaut of a passing attack.

Yes, we do have that, and it works. But, I'm thinking a more balanced assault could make our passing attack even more effective. This would help Rodgers for sure, as well as our defense. Those quick drives, forcing our D back onto the field time and time again has to take its toll.

Some may say, "well, if it works, why fix it?" I'm thinking it has worked well to this point. I have no question that we can be even better as an O in the passing dept. Just thinking this may be a rather unique approach in today's NFL, given the nature of our passing game, to keep it and Rodgers alive, and to make our D a bit more effective.
Stevetarded
11 years ago
I'm all for running the ball better but I don't care if they run it more or less as long as they have an offense similarly efficient as they did last year. If you can convert that many first downs and TDs per drive who cares how you do it.
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11 years ago
I want them to be able to say in the fourth quarter, "we're going to hammer at you with the run every play and we dare you try to stop us."

Other than that, I don't care. If GB wants to pass 80% of the time in the first three quarters, that's perfectly fine with me -- because I know Aaron Rodgers and company will totally demoralize the other team.

But having demoralized them with multiple TD passes in quarters one through three, I want them to treat the other team with complete disdain. To be able to say, "See, you can't even stop us even with our passing game tied behind our back.
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Dexter_Sinister
11 years ago
I just don't want to see McCarthey with his foot off the gas. We pounded the Brocos till the end and we Pounded MN in that second game until the end. I want to see some shut out or some games with under 10 points.

If we are aggressive and get burned, we have the horses to deal with it.

No more 150+ yard 4th quarters. I want teams that play us to get worse in the 4th quarter. I don't care if we do it running or passing.
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PackerTraxx
11 years ago
I actually enjoy watching a good running game more that a good passing game. Just my pregerence. It's one of the main reasons I like college ball. That said, the way the pro game is set up today you need to pass to win and run to keep defenses honest. If the rules were still like years ago that DBs could bump and run, knock a reciever down any time before the ball is in the air, and the O linemen couldn't use their hands you would see the running game more prominently. I'm glad we have the passing ammunition we do, because that's more important with the way the rule of the game are today.
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