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Offline ILikeThePackers39  
#26 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 6:00:09 PM(UTC)
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1. I seriously have never, EVER read any words to the effect of "Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL" here. Ever. The only people who post words to that effect are guys like DHazer in an attempt to deride those of us who think the kid's a good QB who will only get better with more experience.

2. Let's be 100% clear, here: What I and many others have said is that judging by his play this season, Rodgers looks like a good QB, and the more he plays the better he'll get. As Packer fans, that gives us some optimism, you see, because we want the team to be good and to win. Other folks have other agendas, whether it's that they want Thompson & Co. to fail for some reason, or they want the team to draft the kid from Texas Tech (man, I hope you realize that isn't going to happen, kid). So again, to be clear: Do I think Rodgers is better or as good as Favre or Elway or something? Fuck, no -- that's crazy talk. But he's a good QB, and anyone who calls themselves a Packers Fan and can't admit that and take a little heart from it is a very different kind of fan than I am.

3. Do any of you realize how friggin' hard it is to come back in under 2 minutes and win a game? How rare that is? I would be very curious to get a count of how many times Favre, Elway and Marino did it over their long careers. I bet the numbers will be surprisingly low. And people are dogging this kid because he hasn't done it in 5-6 chances? Ridiculous.

4. He (Rodgers) has been a starting NFL QB for less than one season. That's not enough to say anything at all, definitively. You can't say he's not capable of winning a close game, you can only say he hasn't done it yet. If I'm a member of that team, I'm going to see if I can't do my OWN effing job, rather than expecting Aaron to pull a rabbit out of the hat so I can feel more confident.

Final word: I don't think he's the best QB in the NFL. I don't think he's a HOF QB. I think he's a good QB, and I think he'll get better as he gains more experience. He's not perfect and I'll certainly admit that he's had times this year where he's been sub-par, and I didn't like those times any more than I liked them when Favre had them, Dickey had them, or any QB I've ever watched. However, if anyone seriously thinks that the QB position is what's wrong with this team, that person is, in my opinion, an idiot.
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Offline Pack93z  
#27 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 7:58:07 PM(UTC)
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Well the thread made it a lot further than I expected today.. but I think the points have been made in a fine manner and the thread is going to go downhill from here...

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#28 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 10:54:58 PM(UTC)
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Well the thread made it a lot further than I expected today.. but I think the points have been made in a fine manner and the thread is going to go downhill from here...

Lock City.


I split most of the jerkoff posts away. Hopefully this can be brought back to life by some of our quality members who actually base their opinion on unbias beliefs.
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Offline bozz_2006  
#29 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 10:59:03 PM(UTC)
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Well the thread made it a lot further than I expected today.. but I think the points have been made in a fine manner and the thread is going to go downhill from here...

Lock City.


I split most of the jerkoff posts away. Hopefully this can be brought back to life by some of our quality members who actually base their opinion on unbias beliefs.


hey, I appreciate your confidence in me, but, unfortunately, today I'm basing my opinions only on my biased beliefs.... maybe I can help you out tomorrow. we'll see.
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Offline Nonstopdrivel  
#30 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 11:10:22 PM(UTC)
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The best source I've found so far on the topic of come-from-behind victories in the last two minutes of a game is this page from NFL.com, which lists five such victories from Favre's career (it does not specify whether that is an all-inclusive list). Interestingly, Favre finished two of the five game-winning drives on the strength of his own legs:

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Sept. 20, 1992, vs. Cincinnati at Lambeau Field. Replaces injured starter Don Majkowski in the first quarter, and never looks back. Favre leads two scoring drives in the final eight minutes of the game. His 35-yard touchdown pass to Kitrick Taylor with 13 seconds remaining gives the Packers a come-from-behind 24-23 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals.

Jan. 8, 1994, at Detroit. With the Packers trailing 24-21 in the final minute of a Wild Card playoff game, Favre rolls to his left and throws across his body, completing a 40-yard pass to Sterling Sharpe on the other side of the field with 55 seconds remaining to give the Packers a 28-24 victory.

Dec. 18, 1994, vs. Atlanta in Milwaukee. With the Packers needing a victory to keep their playoff chances alive, Favre's diving 9-yard touchdown run with 14 seconds left gives the Packers a 21-17 victory over the Falcons in the final football game at County Stadium.

Dec. 3, 2001, at Jacksonville. Favre throws for 362 yards and three touchdowns, but wins with his feet. Favre's 6-yard touchdown run with 1:30 remaining -- his first rushing touchdown in three years -- gives the Packers a come-from-behind 28-21 victory.

Nov. 14, 2004, vs. Minnesota at Lambeau Field. Favre throws four touchdown passes in a game for the 18th time in his career, but the Vikings rally to tie the game with 1:20 remaining. Favre drives the Packers to a last-second field goal and a 34-31 victory.


Five (5) game-winning drives in the last 2:00 in 16 seasons -- three of which came in his first two seasons in Green Bay.

Give the kid some time.
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Offline longtimefan  
#31 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 11:11:22 PM(UTC)
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I finished the Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco stats also and boy what a difference a defensive team and a running team can make

Matt Ryan with the running game

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#32 Posted : Friday, December 12, 2008 11:12:57 PM(UTC)
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I still find it interesting how people are lamenting Rodgers for not coming back and winning the game for the Packers in the final two minutes. It was a pretty much given that pulling a win out of his butt wasn't really Rodgers style of play and that he's more of a game manager.

Why does the lack of 2:00 minute winning drives surprise anyone? Heck, the Legend only has 12 in his ENTIRE career and we're gonna bash a first year starter for not doing something hardly any ever expected him to do in the first place?
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Offline tromadz  
#33 Posted : Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:29:54 AM(UTC)
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Rodgers woulda won multiple close games if the defense didn't collapse multiple times in the 4th this season.

But lets blame Rodgers
Offline RedSoxExcel  
#34 Posted : Saturday, December 13, 2008 3:11:16 AM(UTC)
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I still don't understand why every time someone says anything even remotely negative about Rodgers it turns into a "why are you blaming him for all our losses" conversation.

Just because there are a few people that do that doesn't mean that that is everyone else's opinion.

All I think some people are saying is that he hasn't had that signature drive. Which he hasn't. It will come with experience I would assume but so far he hasn't. I don't think anyone is saying that the defense is awesome, etc. I think all some people are saying is he hasn't had "that" drive yet, which right now has cost them a few games.

Which I'm sorry but its the NFL. Your the QB, you get paid the most on the team, you get all the glory when you win. And guess what, you get criticized way more than anyone else, its life. It was a losing team effort in the NFC title game but rightly or wrongly Favre gets all the blame by so many people. Thats life in the NFL as a QB. People expect you regardless of your year (rightly or wrongly) to win the game when you have the game in your hands (even though there are so many other factors like playcalling or receivers catching or dropping balls, etc).
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Offline Greg C.  
#35 Posted : Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:16:14 AM(UTC)
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It was a pretty much given that pulling a win out of his butt wasn't really Rodgers style of play and that he's more of a game manager.


No need to damn him with faint praise, Zero. He is much more than a "game manager." The 63-yard bomb to Jennings last week is the latest example of that. Rodgers has a strong arm with pretty good accuracy downfield, and yes, he will take chances at times. I wish he had taken more of a game manager approach on that final possession against the Panthers rather than lofting up such a high-risk pass right away.
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