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Offline nerdmann  
#1 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:52:51 PM(UTC)
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Get the ball out, Aaron.

We're gonna need you to not fail.
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Offline RajiRoar  
#2 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:01:48 PM(UTC)
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huh?


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Offline nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:05:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
huh?


Dude needs to get the ball out in under 8 seconds.
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#4 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:08:23 PM(UTC)
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If it weren't for Aaron this would've been a blow out. I'm pretty fucking sure he didn't want to "stat whore" his own stats, he wanted to win the game.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:08:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Dude needs to get the ball out in under 8 seconds.


I don't blame him yet - so much goes into when he can get the ball out (routes run, coverage, execution such as players' dripping, etc.) before I lay blame on Aaron.

Needless knee-jerk reaction.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:11:37 PM(UTC)
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outside of the 1st quarter this was one of 12's best games..


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#7 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:13:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
I don't blame him yet - so much goes into when he can get the ball out (routes run, coverage, execution such as players' dripping, etc.) before I lay blame on Aaron.

Needless knee-jerk reaction.


Yeah, Nerd obviously fails to understand that without Rodgers buying time like he often does, the Packers score many fewer points throughout the season. It's not always possible to instantly unload the ball. For now, that is Aaron Rodgers game, and it's not going to change. Notice on several of the Vikings blitz calls, he instantly threw the ball to the open guy. It's just not always possible, especially when facing constant cover 2 style defenses.

Offline mi_keys  
#8 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:19:12 PM(UTC)
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On the list of players to blame for this game, Rodgers comes in around 53rd.
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Offline nerdmann  
#9 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:24:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, Nerd obviously fails to understand that without Rodgers buying time like he often does, the Packers score many fewer points throughout the season. It's not always possible to instantly unload the ball. For now, that is Aaron Rodgers game, and it's not going to change. Notice on several of the Vikings blitz calls, he instantly threw the ball to the open guy. It's just not always possible, especially when facing constant cover 2 style defenses.



There continues to be guys wide open underneath, but Rodgers just won't get them the ball.
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Offline DakotaT  
#10 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:35:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
There continues to be guys wide open underneath, but Rodgers just won't get them the ball.


Rodgers gets greedy, no doubt. What he fails to realize is that he does not have the protection that Tom Brady does. Time to load up on O-lineman Uncle Ted.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:40:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Get the ball out, Aaron.

We're gonna need you to not fail.


Really... the guy played nearly a perfect game.

Look.. I dislike the QB as much as anyone.. but one can hardly pick apart the game he played today. Moved up in the pocket a number of times.. and threw two out of bounds.

Look I get it... you expect perfection, but the guy played as good of a game as can be expected. My opinion.

The couple he held it.. there were guys open over the top in man coverage.. sometimes the defense wins.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline doddpower  
#12 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:45:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
There continues to be guys wide open underneath, but Rodgers just won't get them the ball.


I don't buy it. This may happen at times, but it's going to happen to everyone. Underneath players are often the #3-4 or even 5th in a QBs progressions. As a result, Rodgers is not always going to be able to get there. In fact, due to Rodgers buying time, he's able to scan the field more than most other QBs.

There is absolutely no question that without Rodgers buying time like he often does, this Packers team would not be as good as they are. Yes, that will result in some bad plays, but my prior sentence stands.
Offline nerdmann  
#13 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:48:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I don't buy it. This may happen at times, but it's going to happen to everyone. Underneath players are often the #3-4 or even 5th in a QBs progressions. As a result, Rodgers is not always going to be able to get there. In fact, due to Rodgers buying time, he's able to scan the field more than most other QBs.

There is absolutely no question that without Rodgers buying time like he often does, this Packers team would not be as good as they are. Yes, that will result in some bad plays, but my prior sentence stands.


So Mike McCarthy scripts plays to last 8 seconds?
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#14 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 1:27:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
So Mike McCarthy scripts plays to last 8 seconds?


Exactly how many plays lasted 8+ seconds?
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#15 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 3:03:47 AM(UTC)
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you can't blame Aaron Rodgers for wanting to take a shot down field when they were down and needed to score points. They vikings secondary was in a shambles so the opportunity was there.
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#16 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 8:17:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
There continues to be guys wide open underneath, but Rodgers just won't get them the ball.


This is the NFL not a playground. He has progressions to go through. We may see a back some somebody uncovered, because we don't know where rodgers is in the progressions.

I believe this issue is more play design, than Rodgers whoring. If he was really worried about stats he would dump the ball off more because to raise his completion percentage.
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 8:54:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Get the ball out, Aaron.

We're gonna need you to not fail.


Aaron Rodgers
Total yards #8 (with more than 4000)
Completion % #3 (250 or more attempts)
TDs #2
Fewest Ints #1 (400 or more attempts) #2 (300 or more attempts)
QB rating #1.

So what part of this is stat whoring?
What would GB's record be if Aaron Rodgers was not in the game? I am willing to say they would not even be a .500 team. Let the man do his job and get off his case.
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#18 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 12:04:16 PM(UTC)
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I too would like to see Aaron take the 5, 8 or whatever yards are there on first or second down. On third down is where buying time is important to get the needed yards. It keeps our D off the field and their D on the field.
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#19 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 1:11:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
I too would like to see Aaron take the 5, 8 or whatever yards are there on first or second down. On third down is where buying time is important to get the needed yards. It keeps our D off the field and their D on the field.


As others have mentioned, it has everything to do with play design and execution. I noticed multiple quick passes against the Vikings; several slants, and multiple hot routes directly to the area where the blitzer's vacated. It's no where near as simple as Aaron just "dumping it off," especially without a guy like Darren Sproles. I thought he did a good job of doing that on Sunday. If the dump-off or check down pass is third or forth in the progression, he's not always going to get to them, and they may not be open anyway (and if they are, it may not be enough for the first down).

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#20 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 1:34:01 PM(UTC)
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Carefully and slowly step back from the crack-pipe.

Without Aaron Rodgers' magnificent skills, the Green Bay Packers would be in the absolute basement of the NFL.

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#21 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 5:29:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
you can't blame Aaron Rodgers for wanting to take a shot down field when they were down and needed to score points. They vikings secondary was in a shambles so the opportunity was there.


You might want to burn clock and keep their RB off the field, no? Keep our defense off the field, and prevent them from wearing down?

Move the chains. Score points. Dominate time of possession.
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#22 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 5:30:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
Carefully and slowly step back from the crack-pipe.

Without Aaron Rodgers' magnificent skills, the Green Bay Packers would be in the absolute basement of the NFL.



If Mike McCarthy would have stayed in San Francisco, Alex Smith would be as good as Aaron Rodgers is right now. Aaron Rodgers would likely have been a bust.
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#23 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 5:43:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If Mike McCarthy would have stayed in San Francisco, Alex Smith would be as good as Aaron Rodgers is right now. Aaron Rodgers would likely have been a bust.


No. No. No. No. No. Not talking

Aaron Rodgers had and has a better skill set than Alex Smith. Sure blame the 6 or 7 Offensive Coordinators for him stinking up the niners for years, poor little Alex smith doesn't have anyone to hold his hand. No wonder he sucks. Sarcasm I say if you need someone to make you better. You aren't a great player.

Not even 2 years under a 'QB coach' in Jim Harbaugh, and Smith gets benched for a rookie..

I don't like when coaches get more credit for the player than the player. Which I think is never the case. I think, even know people inspire you and coach you or what ever. You have to make yourself a better player, not someone else.

And there's is no one better than Aaron Rodgers at it. imo.
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#24 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 7:05:35 PM(UTC)
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No. No. No. No. No. Not talking

Aaron Rodgers had and has a better skill set than Alex Smith. Sure blame the 6 or 7 Offensive Coordinators for him stinking up the niners for years, poor little Alex smith doesn't have anyone to hold his hand. No wonder he sucks. Sarcasm I say if you need someone to make you better. You aren't a great player.

Not even 2 years under a 'QB coach' in Jim Harbaugh, and Smith gets benched for a rookie..

I don't like when coaches get more credit for the player than the player. Which I think is never the case. I think, even know people inspire you and coach you or what ever. You have to make yourself a better player, not someone else.

And there's is no one better than Aaron Rodgers at it. imo.


You remember how Aaron looked in games, pre-McCarthy?

FACT: McCarthy picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:43:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
You remember how Aaron looked in games, pre-McCarthy?

FACT: McCarthy picked Alex Smith over Aaron Rodgers.


OH YA I forgot!

he was on the bench....

and it was his rookie year.

I'm pretty sure it's not McCarthy who made him who is today. Sure it helped sitting behind a Great QB and that QB school. But that accuracy, that arm, his athleticism, and all of his preparation and intelligence week to week.
You can't teach none of that.

Listen to the guy on his radio show. Pretty remarkable the way he breaks down plays sometimes. He remembers everything that's going on the field. And I believe he is the best scanner of a field in the NFL.

You know why he's not looking for stuff underneath? 1. we're trying to win. 2. Well have you been introduced to this WR core? , and the difference between the talent of the WRs and RBs on our team? This is an attacking offense. Not some game manager offense.

I saw nothing wrong with Rodgers performance sunday. He put us in a situation to win. Our defense just couldn't do it's job.

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