El3ment12
11 years ago
Does anyone else wonder if the D was really being run by Nick Collins in 2010? We have never been the same without him.
gbguy20
11 years ago
BRING BACK NICK
musccy
11 years ago

Truth be told Eric Walden shouldn't even be playing IMO, luckily for him there's always a LB getting injured.

IMO, Perry's speed and Bishop's middle present was missed today.

Executions was terrible out there.

Muffed punt ---> 7 points
Aaron Rodgers pulling a Brett Favre ---> 7 points

That we're 14 points that we just handed them over. Let's not forget also that Rodgers did fumble the ball and luckily he landed on it could of been a different outcome.

The muffed punt did really change momentum of this game, we had killed the crowd @ that point and we're going to ride down the momentum but just killed everything handed the momentum back to the 49ers and they didn't look back!

Originally Posted by: shield4life 



I don't buy the whole momentum thing...the Packers were gashed before and after that.

I agree with the execution. The OLBs (including cm3) were getting schooled on the edges looking lost, no discipline, and that's what really killed the team tonight.
all_about_da_packers
11 years ago

You're citing Collins to make your argument? He was released before F.A. and woodson is very close to the end if not already there. Clay missing 4 games in November has nothing to do with giving up 600 yards tonight.

Originally Posted by: musccy 




You're missing the scope of my argument; it was not directed to tonight's game at all. To recap:

dyeah_gb stated: objective evidence (last year's performance) is adequate to justify Capers' firing.

My counter: the performance of this year (minus 3 of our 4 playmakers from last year + missing our best playmaker for a month + having to deal with having 6 rookies see extended playing time) where our defence was average in the rankings provides evidence that suggests Capers does not necessarily deserve to be fired.

We were abysmal tonight. But decisions based entirely on 1 game are pretty rash, and hardly favourable when compared to decisions based on an entire body of work because it provides a much larger sample size on which to base conclusions.
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shield4life
11 years ago

I don't buy the whole momentum thing...the Packers were gashed before and after that.

I agree with the execution. The OLBs (including cm3) were getting schooled on the edges looking lost, no discipline, and that's what really killed the team tonight.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I'm pissed how about you?
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musccy
11 years ago

You're missing the scope of my argument; it was not directed to tonight's game at all. To recap:

dyeah_gb stated: objective evidence (last year's performance) is adequate to justify Capers' firing.

My counter: the performance of this year (minus 3 of our 4 playmakers from last year + missing our best playmaker for a month + having to deal with having 6 rookies see extended playing time) where our defence was average in the rankings provides evidence that suggests Capers does not necessarily deserve to be fired.

We were abysmal tonight. But decisions based entirely on 1 game are pretty rash, and hardly favourable when compared to decisions based on an entire body of work because it provides a much larger sample size on which to base conclusions.

Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers 



I understand what you're saying...and for the record I don't necessarily feel Capers should be fired...i'm on the fence...i'm worried about the personnel, esp. With meat on the line in a 3-4.
shield4life
11 years ago

I understand what you're saying...and for the record I don't necessarily feel Capers should be fired...i'm on the fence...i'm worried about the personnel, esp. With meat on the line in a 3-4.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



What actually makes you think that keeping him would improve this defense?
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doddpower
11 years ago

I understand what you're saying...and for the record I don't necessarily feel Capers should be fired...i'm on the fence...i'm worried about the personnel, esp. With meat on the line in a 3-4.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Capers is good at times, but he has consistently struggled against top tier QBs. He's often slow to adjust, if he adjusts at all, and consistently has communication issues throughout his defense. He can shine at times, but I don't think the drop-off would be substantial with another coordinator, and the right person could perhaps be much better. Sometimes it's necessary to get a fresh mind in, especially with the way the NFL is changing. In other words, Capers isn't horrible, generally speaking, but he is at times, and often when it matters most. There is never an excuse for giving up as many yards as they did today, especially in the divisional round of the playoffs. It just can't happen. With a performance that bad, one game has to weigh more than it ordinarily would, imo. His defense was once again humiliated on the big stage, and I don't see how the Packers can let that stand. It's all about accountability. Capers may be able to consistently produce average, but shaky, defenses, but some of the unexplainable collapses are absolutely unacceptable. I would find it hard to believe someone out there couldn't do more with this defense, and the Packers could perhaps find the next "bright-mind" in the process. It's likely a 'risk' worth taking.
all_about_da_packers
11 years ago
Don't get me wrong - I am also on the fence about keeping Capers and/or position coaches.

So, according to McCarthy: we did not execute. On D, we tried different things, but none of them worked because of bad execution. To add, says they did not do on Offense what they wanted.

This has become a broken record. I'm hoping McCarthy takes this as a kick in the balls and realizes he better scheme up improved personnel packages and schemes this off-season. I do not know how many times our offense has not been able to do what it wanted. And something needs to be done to ensure execution of Defense - I'm not sure simply adding players is going to fix that part of the equation.
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shield4life
11 years ago
Not Bad Read 
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