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Offline wpr  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:24:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: olds70supreme Go to Quoted Post
Also, this article only compares the Packers O-linemen, than draws the conclusion that they need new guys because some did worse than others. John Madden and I would be willing to go out on a limb (a fairly stout one though) and say that that is true of most any football team ever/anywhere. In short, it doesn't mean much if it isn't comparing them to other linemen in the league. Not to say the conclusion is wrong (because it may very well be correct), just that the method of reaching it isn't.


some of problems with amateur columnists. They don't typically have all the resources they need to substantiate their claims. Nor are they always as articulate as we would like them to be.

I usually pass up posting these kinds of articles but since we have been discussing the OL and draft needs I thought I would toss this one onto the pile.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:39:31 PM(UTC)
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This seems to place only an emphasis on pass protection and penalties. What about run blocking? Being a good pass protector does not equate to run blocking. The two aren't mutually exclusive. For example, Jeff Saturday was a bad run blocker this year. He couldn't get to the next level because he didn't move well. That's among the reasons they made the move to EDS. These figures paint a much brighter picture of Saturday.

There's no doubt Green Bay needs to improve the talent on the offensive line, but based on history, they have three starters that are competent or capable of playing at a high level. Those are T.J. Lang, Josh Sitton, and Bryan Bulaga. The latter was rock solid in 2011, and better than advertised this season with the exception of the Seattle game. That game leads to an inflated 16-game projection. Takeaway that game and Bulaga has a reasonable projection for a right tackle.

Identify the weakness and correct it. The weak link is center and especially left tackle. Many grade Newhouse on a curve for reasons that confuse me. In this offense, though, left tackle is the second most important position. That problem needs to be rectified.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:32:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
The first thing that comes to my mind is that the numbers are skewed because the sacks usually come from the edge not the center of the line. So, as an example, Barclay with 14 may have actually done much better than Lang with 12. Without knowing who they're actually assigned to block it's impossible to tell.


ya I thought the same thing - most prime time rushers are those on the outside; really good DEs or OLBs - and those guys are all taking on a tackle (usually). Not that I dont think our Oline needs a look at.

Also as some has suggested we (rodgers) needs more practice at the quick drop off and not holding the ball too long ...

and maybe a better RB might help keep the teams off him a bit. Someone bigger that can block and can also run.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:36:47 AM(UTC)
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some of problems with amateur columnists. They don't typically have all the resources they need to substantiate their claims. Nor are they always as articulate as we would like them to be.

I usually pass up posting these kinds of articles but since we have been discussing the OL and draft needs I thought I would toss this one onto the pile.


Yeah, who am I kidding? I'll read anything and everything remotely Packer related from the end of the season until the start of the next.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:00:40 AM(UTC)
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We're stacked at the position imo.

LT: Sherrod, Datko
LG: Lang, Barclay, Van Roten, EDS
C: Player to be acquired, Lang, EDS
RG: Sitton, Barclay. Van Roten, EDS
LT: Bulaga, Newhouse
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#16 Posted : Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:22:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
We're stacked at the position imo.

LT: Sherrod, Newhouse, Datko- PS
LG: Lang, Barclay, EDS, Van Roten-PS
C: EDS, Player to be drafted, Lang
RG: Sitton, Barclay, EDS, Van Roten-PS
RT: Bulaga, Barclay, Newhouse


pretty close. I fixed it for you. Including having only one side listed as "LT" Big Grin
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#17 Posted : Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:06:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
We're stacked at the position imo.

LT: Sherrod, Datko
LG: Lang, Barclay, Van Roten, EDS
C: Player to be acquired, Lang, EDS
RG: Sitton, Barclay. Van Roten, EDS
LT: Bulaga, Newhouse


Say whut?

Sitton is a stud.
Beyond that...

We're still operating primarily on the "potential" theory. The same thing that led people to say we were fine with false-start-Cliffie, that Lang had the potential to play OT, that Mrs. Colledge and Mark Spitz were going to be good enough, etc.

We have one stud, and a bunch of guys that are serviceable on their good days and are young enough that may have potential to develop into more.

We're stacked only in the poker sense of being short-stacked.

And we're hoping we can still beat Brunson, Moneymaker, and Ungar.

The only reason I"m not calling "OL OL OL" in my usual way is that, unfortunately, GB also has pretty serious needs on both DL and LB, too.

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#18 Posted : Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:07:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
Say whut?

Sitton is a stud.
Beyond that...

We're still operating primarily on the "potential" theory. The same thing that led people to say we were fine with false-start-Cliffie, that Lang had the potential to play OT, that Mrs. Colledge and Mark Spitz were going to be good enough, etc.

We have one stud, and a bunch of guys that are serviceable on their good days and are young enough that may have potential to develop into more.

We're stacked only in the poker sense of being short-stacked.

And we're hoping we have undeveloped stars that will be able to beat Brunson, Moneymaker, and Ungar.

The only reason I"m not calling "OL OL OL" in my usual way is that, unfortunately, GB also has pretty serious needs on both DL and LB, too.



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#19 Posted : Saturday, February 9, 2013 11:59:27 AM(UTC)
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quoting your self with nothing new to add is a sign of sickness. Big Grin
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#20 Posted : Saturday, February 9, 2013 12:23:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
quoting your self with nothing new to add is a sign of sickness. Big Grin


What's worse is when all he does is jazzes up what I said in another thread in the first place. Big Grin If I wanted to do creative writing, I'd make money at it, not waste it on my numbnut buddies.
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