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11 years ago



But as a CB.. yes, that is one area at the moment the Packers don't need to address in the draft.


Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I skipped over it but of the 6 players on the depth chart, 3 of them (both starters) came off the street. This is an area that Uncle Teddy has excelled at.

So IF Tyann slides out of the draft all together...

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nerdmann
11 years ago

Good post.. I think it will be interesting already for the Packers and keeping players in the secondary. Adding another talent is questionable.. but for me, his value would be as a returner next season to keep Cobb (whom will be counted on even more in the offense) free from the duties.

But as a CB.. yes, that is one area at the moment the Packers don't need to address in the draft.


Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



It's not a weighted area of need, but if he's the BPA, you take him.

How many injuries did we have last year? Look at all the guys we lost at ILB. Could happen at any position. If a guy falls to you, you take him. Especially this late in the draft.
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doddpower
11 years ago

LCB 38 Williams, Tramon SFA06 31House, Davon 11/4 24Bush, Jarrett W/Car
RCB 37 Shields, Sam RFA 29Hayward, Casey 12/2 23Nixon, James SFA12

Don't they normally carry 5 CB? Let's say they do keep 6. I don't see him jumping over Hayward at all. He could get past House down the road but not at the start of the season. Bush and Nixon are the bubble players. Everyone loves to bash Bush but he is a standout on ST. Will Mathieu come in and do the same? If not the best he can do is land the #6 spot on the team with an opportunity to move up in the future.

That said I would not want to use the # 5 pick on the # 6 CB on the team.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Drafting players, especially in the later rounds, isn't about getting a starter in their rookie season, necessarily. Things change so fast in the NFL. He could start his rookie season as the #6 CB, but could end up being #3+ in his 2nd or 3rd season given any number of circumstances. Viewing the pick of a talented player through the above lens just doesn't make much sense to me. Additionally, as mentioned, he likely would have a lot of special teams value, as well. Besides, Tramon Williams has been regressing it would seem for two seasons (can it all be attributed to injury?), and House really hasn't shown a whole lot yet during the actual season, although mostly due to injury. Bush is becoming somewhat expensive, and may be replaced in a season or so. He shouldn't be on the field for the defense, anyway.

Corner back is one of the Packers deepest positions, but there are still several questions about the group, for sure. Adding a good to very good talent late in the draft would be nice.



play2win
11 years ago
I don't have any problem with Ted drafting him if he is so inclined. The kid is a player, and many have made poor decisions early in life. He could be a gem. Might go way higher than R5 - could also fall out of the draft entirely. Green Bay could be a good fit, with a really talented group to compete against. Had he not had any off field issues, he could have been a top10? Top 20? Worth a shot in my opinion.
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11 years ago

Drafting players, especially in the later rounds, isn't about getting a starter in their rookie season, necessarily. Things change so fast in the NFL. He could start his rookie season as the #6 CB, but could end up being #3+ in his 2nd or 3rd season given any number of circumstances. Viewing the pick of a talented player through the above lens just doesn't make much sense to me. Additionally, as mentioned, he likely would have a lot of special teams value, as well. Besides, Tramon Williams has been regressing it would seem for two seasons (can it all be attributed to injury?), and House really hasn't shown a whole lot yet during the actual season, although mostly due to injury. Bush is becoming somewhat expensive, and may be replaced in a season or so. He shouldn't be on the field for the defense, anyway.

Corner back is one of the Packers deepest positions, but there are still several questions about the group, for sure. Adding a good to very good talent late in the draft would be nice.



Originally Posted by: doddpower 



dodd I don't disagree with you. I am simply trying to add some perspective to the mix.

The basis of my post is, "Is there room for him"? "Do you want to use a #5 pick on the 5th or 6th CB"?

If the answer is yes then go ahead. If not then don't.

There are always injuries and players falling down the depth chart while others climb on every team every season. I never ever said he couldn't climb. I said I didn't expect him to be a #4 when the season opens. Which means it is possible for him to be the #4 by the end of the season.

As far as ST, I realize he can return kicks but that is not Bush's job. And GB already has Ross to return kicks. If Bush is gone who becomes the gunner? Someone has to be there to down the punt at the 3 yard line. Not every one can do what he does or do it as well as he does it.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
This guy won't amount to anything until he's on his second team. Book it.
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Bigbyfan
11 years ago
The main concern I have with him, that I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that he has been out of football for a year. What kind of shape will he be in? Also that's one less year he has had to develop as a football player.
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play2win
11 years ago

This guy won't amount to anything until he's on his second team. Book it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Why do you say that? I'm just curious. I don't have any kind of monster desire for him to be a Packers player, but if they see he is right for the team, and he's there at a decent place to take that chance...
JustJeff
11 years ago

The main concern I have with him, that I'm surprised no one has mentioned, is that he has been out of football for a year. What kind of shape will he be in? Also that's one less year he has had to develop as a football player.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 


He's been working out with Patrick Peterson (former teammates at LSU).

The only way I see Teddy Ballgame drafting him is if he can play safety. Thompson has never had a corner under 5' 11" but has had a few 5' 10" guys at safety (Derrick Martin is the only one I recall at the moment).

Ron Wolf had a rule of "never drafting short corners." What Wolf never said was what constituted a "short corner." The cutoff for Wolf apparently (outside of bowing to his new DC - Ray Rhodes w/T-Buck), Wolf never dipped below 5' 11" and preferred guys 6' and above. Teddy Ballgame has stuck to that... rigidly.

As for the original question, I would take a late flier on him. Someone compared him to Woodson. Mathieu reminds me of a young Antoine Winfield. Smallish, ferocious in run support, coverage skills that make up for short stature. Like Winfield, I think the play-making opportunities drop, playing on Sundays.



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Rockmolder
11 years ago

He's been working out with Patrick Peterson (former teammates at LSU).

The only way I see Teddy Ballgame drafting him is if he can play safety. Thompson has never had a corner under 5' 11" but has had a few 5' 10" guys at safety (Derrick Martin is the only one I recall at the moment).

Ron Wolf had a rule of "never drafting short corners." What Wolf never said was what constituted a "short corner." The cutoff for Wolf apparently (outside of bowing to his new DC - Ray Rhodes w/T-Buck), Wolf never dipped below 5' 11" and preferred guys 6' and above. Teddy Ballgame has stuck to that... rigidly.

As for the original question, I would take a late flier on him. Someone compared him to Woodson. Mathieu reminds me of a young Antoine Winfield. Smallish, ferocious in run support, coverage skills that make up for short stature. Like Winfield, I think the play-making opportunities drop, playing on Sundays.


Originally Posted by: JustJeff 



We traded Tony Moll for Martin, just to get something. Turned out to be quite the STs player. I don't think anyone every expected him to really play a whole lot of CB.

I'm not quite sure how Ted sees this, but in my opinion, you'll only get flawed players in the later rounds. His flaw are his character (that being debatable, as I get the feeling that 2/3th of the NFL players smoke weed) and his size. You just have to ask yourself if he can contribute to your team despite those flaws... And I think he most certainly can.

Like said before, you don't put him on Calvin Johnson or someone like that, but he is physical enough and quick enough to be a great match-up against a guy like Amendola, Welker etc.

And if that doesn't work out, you still have quite the returner.

And if even that doesn't work out, he has all the tools to be an amazing STs player.

If he's there in the 5th, you have to take him. Only thing is, I really doubt that he'll be there. A team like the Bengals or Titans will take a chance on a kid like him far before Ted even thinks about pulling the trigger.
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