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#1 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:16:48 PM(UTC)
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Cutting defensive back Charles Woodson fits perfectly with the Packers’ approach to the business of football. Using the franchise tag on receiver Greg Jennings doesn’t.

But that’s what the Packers are considering doing, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. And that would cost the Packers more than $10 million in real dollars and cap dollars for 2013.

With Jennings turning 30 later this year and missing half of the 2012 regular season, spending that much money doesn’t make much sense, given the way the Packers do business.

Moreover, the Packers have three receivers under contract who, according to one of them, each can generate more than 1,000 yards receiving in 2013.

So we’ll believe that G.M. Ted Thompson will plunk down $10.36 million for an aging luxury when he does it. Until then, it just doesn’t fit with how the Packers do things.

Even if they do it, it still doesn’t fit.



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Interesting to hear the #Packers are still considering franchising Greg Jennings. Thought that ship had sailed. Apparently not.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 3:54:44 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, there is a lot of buzz about this right now. Zero2Cool, you called it. I'm still a bit skeptical, because it is a lot of cash. However, could be a one year deal for his services, which could make some sense.

My concern is why tag a player who looks to want out? But, this is all business.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:06:02 PM(UTC)
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I could see this only if a trade partner had come to Ted Thompson at the combine,

But that seems to be a little too shady for Ted.


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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:55:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
I could see this only if a trade partner had come to Ted Thompson at the combine,

But that seems to be a little too shady for Ted.


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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:08:30 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, I'm not really buying this either, but what do I know. If Ted was somehow able to work out a tag and trade, that would be awesome, though. It just seems like a long-shot. Jennings has made it clear he doesn't want to be tagged.

EDIT: This doesn't really seem like information the Packers would let leak either, although I suppose in the trade scenario it could have been the other team.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:13:44 PM(UTC)
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Keep things honest, straightforward, etc. No system manipulation, and no hosing players other than the business-is-business aspect.

Greg Jennings deserves whatever payday his career has earned him, coupled with the needs of other teams.

I think I would prefer (as a fan) to just let 'em go vs. franchise tags, etc. especially with Ted running our show-- Frankly, imo, that is one of his strengths.

I like Jennings a lot, but some shit has to give, $$$- wise, so we gotta get over it, imo



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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:14:39 PM(UTC)
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I think Philbin may want Jennings in Miami, and by giving up a 2nd or 3rd in a tag-n-trade situation - he assures he gets Greg without having to outbid the other teams.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:38:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, I'm not really buying this either, but what do I know. If Ted was somehow able to work out a tag and trade, that would be awesome, though. It just seems like a long-shot. Jennings has made it clear he doesn't want to be tagged.

EDIT: This doesn't really seem like information the Packers would let leak either, although I suppose in the trade scenario it could have been the other team.


I can only see how this happens if the Packers and his agent were discussing a contract and the possibility of being tagged came up, then the agent runs to a "source" saying "Packers are considering trading Jennings". Even if they didn't have such discussion, it benefits the client of the agent to make this tidbit known. It makes his client seem desired.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:49:01 PM(UTC)
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The only reason I can see a tag-and-trade is if Jennings is coming to understand he is not going to break the bank like he thinks he will.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:52:14 PM(UTC)
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#11 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:00:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I think Philbin may want Jennings in Miami, and by giving up a 2nd or 3rd in a tag-n-trade situation - he assures he gets Greg without having to outbid the other teams.


I like the sound of it...I'm guessing this doesn't happen, but it'd sure be nice to get something in return.
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#12 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 6:23:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I think Philbin may want Jennings in Miami, and by giving up a 2nd or 3rd in a tag-n-trade situation - he assures he gets Greg without having to outbid the other teams.


won't happen. They could pay a Greg a couple of million more per year than another team to get him and keep the draft pick.

If I was GB I would do the deal. If I was Miami here is really nothing to gain. They need more than one player to make that team a contender.
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#13 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 6:30:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
won't happen. They could pay a Greg a couple of million more per year than another team to get him and keep the draft pick.

If I was GB I would do the deal. If I was Miami here is really nothing to gain. They need more than one player to make that team a contender.


Miami has to ask themselves, will we be a contender before Greg Jennings prime is exhausted and before he's no better than a number 3 WR? I would have to think they'd answer, yes they will be a contender. Greg Jennings has probably three or four more really good years in him. Their QB could really start to light it up in year two (I do not think this) and propel them into the playoffs and we all know ... anything can happen.

If you can get a Greg Jennings on a team that has zero threat at WR for a 2 and 3, by gosh, you do it. Even better for the trading team if the picks can be spread between two seasons. 2nd round 2013, 3rd round 2014.

Jennings is a really good WR. He gets crazy separation from defenders. Watch him during games even when he doesn't get the ball. The guy gets open. In fact, Aaron Rodgers even said that Jennings is open a lot and he needed to look his way more.

I'm not saying Jennings is one of the best in the game. I'm saying he gets good separation and is good at catching the ball and good after the catch. That is ideal for a young QB to have.
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#14 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 6:47:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
won't happen. They could pay a Greg a couple of million more per year than another team to get him and keep the draft pick.

If I was GB I would do the deal. If I was Miami here is really nothing to gain. They need more than one player to make that team a contender.


The dolphins are kinda screwed out of being a contender. They have to beat out Tom Brady to win the division.(not happenin)Also, if you compare Tannehill to all the great rookie qbs, he is pretty bad.
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#15 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 7:05:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Miami has to ask themselves, will we be a contender before Greg Jennings prime is exhausted and before he's no better than a number 3 WR? I would have to think they'd answer, yes they will be a contender. Greg Jennings has probably three or four more really good years in him. Their QB could really start to light it up in year two (I do not think this) and propel them into the playoffs and we all know ... anything can happen.

If you can get a Greg Jennings on a team that has zero threat at WR for a 2 and 3, by gosh, you do it. Even better for the trading team if the picks can be spread between two seasons. 2nd round 2013, 3rd round 2014.

Jennings is a really good WR. He gets crazy separation from defenders. Watch him during games even when he doesn't get the ball. The guy gets open. In fact, Aaron Rodgers even said that Jennings is open a lot and he needed to look his way more.

I'm not saying Jennings is one of the best in the game. I'm saying he gets good separation and is good at catching the ball and good after the catch. That is ideal for a young QB to have.


Greg can be all world unanimous first ballot HOF. Miami will not make a trade.
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#16 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 7:57:42 AM(UTC)
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On the whole Greg to Miami thing...

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#17 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:17:05 AM(UTC)
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Uhhmm am I the only one who sees Jennings being really upset if he has to play under a 1 year deal right now? talk about costing him millions in the long run.
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#18 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:24:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Uhhmm am I the only one who sees Jennings being really upset if he has to play under a 1 year deal right now? talk about costing him millions in the long run.


He might be, as he's not getting any younger, but his last two seasons haven't really helped his contract situation, either.

It'd be a chance to prove that he's still that 1,200 yard receiver and maybe get even more in FA... Or don't do a thing and lose even more money.
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#19 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:24:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Uhhmm am I the only one who sees Jennings being really upset if he has to play under a 1 year deal right now? talk about costing him millions in the long run.


It could work out in his favor if he plays all 16 games and nets over 1,000 yards, 10+ TD's and 80+ catches. Teams would be lining up for a player like that, far more than his current stats.
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#20 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 8:57:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Uhhmm am I the only one who sees Jennings being really upset if he has to play under a 1 year deal right now? talk about costing him millions in the long run.


No. I believe that would be the case too. I think Jennings has an inflated sense of his own worth in the FA market, and I really question the idea of hitting him with the tag. Not to mention, what would our return really be with a player who might feel like he's underpaid? At $10M+??? Wow.

I'm thinking we should stay away, unfortunately. I like Jennings a lot and he is a good fit in GB, at least he was. His posturing during all of last season was evident, and it seems foolish to try to bring a player back after that. $10M+ can go a very long way towards shoring up some other areas of our team. That is a big price tag, just for the tag amount, and he wants way more. Matthews and Rodgers will be astronomical cap figures.

Tagging Jennings makes no sense to me unless it is sign and trade. I don't see the value in keeping a potentially disgruntled player for a near max contract, especially with all the positions we still need to address on this Packers team.
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#21 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 9:07:16 AM(UTC)
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Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new CBA put in some extra rules to prevent/discourage the tag and trade thing? Like, once a player is tagged and traded they can not negotiate a new contract until the next season, or something else to that effect. I can't remember where I read that or if its accurate, but that would seem to make a tag+trade scenario much less likely.

All things considered, I don't think a $10m/1 year rental of Greg Jennings is all that risky. He's one of the better receivers in the league when healthy, and its a one year deal, the cap repercussions are quite small. So even if the intent is to tag and trade him, its not really a big deal if a trade doesn't happen, unlike say last year with Flynn, where they would have been stuck paying $15m(or whatever the amount was) to a backup QB.

Would Jennings be happy about it? I doubt it, nobody is ever happy that they are getting tagged. I don't think he we would turn into a malcontent though.
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#22 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 10:17:47 AM(UTC)
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As a fan, I had enabled myself to move on from losing a guy like Jennings. I didn't like seeing this rumor/news. Packers can do so much more by not tagging him. I am not saying drafting a wide receiver will fill the hole Jennings leaves, but the Packers won plenty of games without him in the line up. They already have the tools to have a successful passing game (minus a great offensive line).

I'd prefer a 2nd or 3rd round WR draft pick over tagging Jennings. His ship has sailed.

Addition to my initial thoughts. If that is a real quote from Philbin, I REALLY don't want the Packers to resign him. The Dolphins are a team that actually needs a wide receiver and the HC is saying "no" to a top 10 free agent receiver...
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#23 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 10:20:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
As a fan, I had enabled myself to move on from losing a guy like Jennings. I didn't like seeing this rumor/news. Packers can do so much more by not tagging him. I am not saying drafting a wide receiver will fill the hole Jennings leaves, but the Packers won plenty of games without him in the line up. They already have the tools to have a successful passing game (minus a great offensive line).

I'd prefer a 2nd or 3rd round WR draft pick over tagging Jennings. His ship has sailed.

Addition to my initial thoughts. If that is a real quote from Philbin, I REALLY don't want the Packers to resign him. The Dolphins are a team that actually needs a wide receiver and the HC is saying "no" to a top 10 free agent receiver...



I am not arguing you, merely inquiring, ... how do you see Greg Jennings ship has sailed, and what ship exactly?
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#24 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:10:02 AM(UTC)
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From what I have been reading is that Miami is after Mike Wallace and then Wes Welker than Jennings, I don't see anyone forking out the big bucks for Jennings right now. He has been injury prone and getting up there in age and the main thing is he is not a game changer. The defense doesn't have to scheme around him ala Megatron, Fitz or even Roddy White or Jones. I hope they let him walk and watch his disappointment when he has to sign with some bad team for a low price.
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#25 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:11:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I am not arguing you, merely inquiring, ... how do you see Greg Jennings ship has sailed, and what ship exactly?


Like our previous convo in the other Jennings franchise tag thread, Jennings does not want to be a Packer with the franchise tag...not that he has a choice, but he was very clear on his feelings with that. I think by not extending him a contract during last season (don't blame them), the ship has sailed on the relationship between Jennings and the Packers.

He is ready to move on and the Packers should be more than ready to move on. Maybe I have talked myself too much into believing the Packers will be more than okay without Jennings, but when I saw his asking price on the market I don't think I did. I think tagging Jennings dampers the Packers ability to do other things with this team.

The only way I would agree with Jennings being tagged is if the Packers had a trade ready. As crappy as that is, its a business. Its a deal that as a Packers fan, I'd like because the return should be something nice. It also ensures Jennings will not be in the NFC North.

I think Jennings can play and I also think a team is going to offer close to his asking price. My first thought was the Dolphins but with McGinn's recent comments on how Philbin feels about Jennings, that was a bit shot down.

Sorry, kinda went on after answering your main question.




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