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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:30:32 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Packers haven't been back to the Super Bowl since Daryn Colledge was mistakenly not re-signed. Ted Thompson, my glare is aimed in your direction!


Made me laugh!!!!! [laughing]
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 3, 2013 11:00:20 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Packers haven't been back to the Super Bowl since Daryn Colledge was mistakenly not re-signed. Ted Thompson, my glare is aimed in your direction!


You really must miss seeing Mrs. Colledge at the YMCA.. UserPostedImage
Offline Wade  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 3, 2013 1:32:11 PM(UTC)
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Socrates, didn't San Francisco get most of their line with top 15 draft picks - if they did this effortlessly, then must have been dog shit for a long time. Your comparison is horrible but I agree with what you said. We've taken Bulaga and Sherrod with first rounders recently - it's unfair to say Ted Thompson isn't trying. I would like to see an interior O-lineman taken with a top pick preferable at center and who is very intelligent.


Trying isn't enough.

If you're going to have a personnel strategy that emphasizes draft to the extent that Ted's does you have to remember Mr. Miyagi:

"Try? There is no "try". Do. Or do not."

And Ted hasn't done the do.

Daryn Colledge was a 2nd round pick, too. But outside of of our fearless PH leader, whose affair with Mrs. Colledge must be on again, does anyone really think this was a winning pick?

Ted has drafted a lot of OL over his GB years. He's had one, count 'em, one, unquestionable success (Sitton). Bulaga and Sherrod have shown they have the potential....but so, ahem, did Colledge, Spitz, and Moll.



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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Ted has drafted a lot of OL over his GB years. He's had one, count 'em, one, unquestionable success (Sitton). Bulaga and Sherrod have shown they have the potential....but so, ahem, did Colledge, Spitz, and Moll.


Ted Thompson has completed "Do".
OL Coach has completed "Do Not".

If you give someone 12 guns and they miss the target 20 yards away, you going to continue giving more guns or get someone who knows how to aim them better?
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 3, 2013 2:08:31 PM(UTC)
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Ted Thompson has completed "Do".
OL Coach has completed "Do Not".

If you give someone 12 guns and they miss the target 20 yards away, you going to continue giving more guns or get someone who knows how to aim them better?


Isn't the real answer bigger magazines?
Offline JustJeff  
#16 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 6:29:14 AM(UTC)
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dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
Show me the hole that the incompetent backs should have ran through the last 4 years. I submit that there has been no hole. Mike McCarthy is pulling a Dick Cheney. He will re-invent the friggin' hole he says he has, and he don't even have that.


This is not my work. It is from a member in my home forum. It is the perfect example of how NOT to run a stretch play. Enjoy.

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Trips left against Nickel defense. DJ Williams motions from the left and looks like he's going to go across. Goes to H when no one motions with him.
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See him at H and Crabtree lined up at WR.
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Land and Sitton go for the DTs while Crabtree blocks down on the man on him. Bulaga and Williams pull right. Saturday and Newhouse go to backer. 4 players in the box no accounted for yet. Really only 3 because that backside DE isn't going to do anything.
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The pitch is off and everyone is looking for a block or hit their mark already. Jones comes into the screen as the last player on the right. Safety looks like he's in position to make the play.
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Bulaga takes out an unblocked defender (#4), Crabtree is still on his block, looks like Williams will go after defender #3 and Green will have the safety in open field.
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And here we go.
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Williams keeps pushing and there is a possible cutback lane for Green.
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Williams has his guy and free Saturday can try to make a play on the S.
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He gets him, Williams on block, and Crabtree on block still but defender #2 (non-playside backer) is free and is in position to make play.
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And he gets him.


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#17 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 6:34:32 AM(UTC)
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JustJeff... to me, that is more the edge blockers fault for not sealing than it is the backs fault on that example. Williams allowed the defender the get outside his shoulder and hold edge contain. This forces the back to stay flat and wait for something as a cutback lane to form.. poorly executed blocking. My opinion from those angles.
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Offline JustJeff  
#18 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 6:42:04 AM(UTC)
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Williams keeps pushing and there is a possible cutback lane for Green.

This is a perfect example of how Brandon Jackson ran the stretch and why he never developed into a bell cow back he could have been.

Guys who got by with speed in college sometimes find it hard to learn to be patient. When we run an outside stretch, Green has to be more patient, has to read his blocks better and - most importantly - has to have the vision to see the cutback lanes. That is the bread-and-butter of the zbs. You take your short gains, but when a cutback presents itself, plant the foot and go.

On this play, Williams is engaged and has inside position, driving the LB toward the sideline. Crabtree has the inside sealed. Green's read at this point is to cut it back inside. If Green took it inside if Williams he has open field vs a safety who is eight yards high and inside. This was a HUGE play that didn't happen.
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#19 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 6:54:07 AM(UTC)
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Pop ahead to frames in these stills.. that cutback lane was filled.. this is not a great example of a missed opportunity by a back.. if anything it illustrates:

*A line that gets pushed back at the point of attack
* Poor edge blocking by the Packers
* And yes, a back that was too patient and didn't cut it up and take the minimal gain that might have been there.

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#20 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 7:13:08 AM(UTC)
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Pop ahead to frames in these stills.. that cutback lane was filled.. this is not a great example of a missed opportunity by a back.. if anything it illustrates:

*A line that gets pushed back at the point of attack
* Poor edge blocking by the Packers
* And yes, a back that was too patient and didn't cut it up and take the minimal gain that might have been there.

UserPostedImage

That still shows that Green has discovered he isn't getting to the edge. At that point, he's sitting high with his weight back, of course the hole is filled. Jeff freakin' Saturday is outside by then [laughing]

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Williams has not yet engaged. The linebacker is two yards upfield. Williams correctly moves upfield. If he aims for an outside seal, he surrenders his inside shoulder. By the time he gets on the linebacker, he takes him the only angle he can. If you want to fault Williams for being outrun, I can agree. However, he executed a block that gave Green a seam, which Green didn't have the patience to see, much less take.

What is most telling in the stills is Green's gate. He's full throttle for the edge from the start. Great backs have a habit of running 3/4 speed while using their eyes and explode into the hole as it opens. Vision is everything.

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