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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:57:32 AM(UTC)
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Time after time I have read that the pundits are clamoring that Safety is the weakest link upon the team.. I completely disagree. Just because Woodson was released, it does not make it the weakest position upon the team and the most pressing need.

Burnett, while at times I question the angles he takes, is a pretty rangy player that should be coming into his prime right about now. Jennings, McMillian, and Richardson all showed signs of promise at different times.. yes they are green on experience, but drafting another safety early in this draft isn't going to inject experience.

Now Richardson's health is a concern.. but clamoring that we need immediate help and should invest a first round talent on a safety is the "most pressing" concern on this club.. not.

I would rank a dominate Center, a blue chip tackle prospect, Defensive line impact player, improved speed in the interior linebackers and another pass rusher outweigh the need at Safety. Hell I might put running back ahead of need of a safety.

Now if the BPA is a safety when the Packers are on the clock.. great.. pull the trigger. But to reach to try and fill it like pundit after pundit is preaching.. I don't see it.

To me.. this is a perfect draft to let the board come to us.. and possibly even collect a couple more 2-4 round picks... as that is where I see this draft being strong.

I just don't understand the pointing to the safety spot as our biggest weakness.. we have youth, but youth that has played and at times played well.
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I can't say I want a safety taken in the first round. As you mentioned I would prefer to see a pass rushing DL picked up.

That said safety is a concern for me. Burnett will be fine. He is poised for a breakout year. Jennings, McMillian, and Richardson are the issue. Yes they are young. Yes they will grow. If you look at other safeties it takes them about 3 years. Maybe one of them will rise to the top in a couple of more years. Maybe not. They have been inconsistent. They may always be inconsistent. They seem to have more "oops" plays than "wow did you see that?" plays. It would be nice to pick up a player that has a higher up side than they do. Drafting a player in the 2nd round is no guarantee that they will amount to anything but more 2nd round picks have had decent careers than 4th round or later players.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:35:20 AM(UTC)
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I guess the question to me is are we still missing Nick Collins the player or our we missing Nick's leadership? There does seem to be something missing at the Safety position. We get torched over the middle too much.
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TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
I guess the question to me is are we still missing Nick Collins the player or our we missing Nick's leadership? There does seem to be something missing at the Safety position. We get torched over the middle too much.


I have been beating this drum for awhile now. Nick Collins had great range and was excellent communicator in the backfield. When he was out, that is when all of the communication break downs occurred. And if a communication break down happened, he had that great range to compensate for it. The loss of Collins has hurt the Packers most from that Super Bowl roster.

Charles Woodson is solid, but misses a lot of tackles and also doesn't have the range to recover from a communication error from one of them in the backfield. That probably contributes (as well as salary) to why he was released.
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Interior pressure and safety play need a serious upgrade for sure.
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Focus on the DL.

McMillian is raw, but he's got great physical skills. Darren Perry is to Dbacks what Mike is to QBs. MD Jennings is always in the right place, but he's undersized and can get run over. He might be able to add some bulk this offseason.

That said, if a dude falls to us, go get him.
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3-4 DE or LT. There isn't a Nick Collins in this draft and even Nick was a 2nd rounder that took a full 3 years to mature into the position. We did loose communication with his loss, but even more, is we lost his speed. He was capable of covering sideline to sideline which allowed the CB to have faith that they can play trail technique and jump routes knowing Nick would be there.

We need pass rush that collapses the pocket preventing the QB from getting away from Clay by stepping up. And We need to strengthen the Oline to give Rodgers some time, and allow him to feel more comfortable in the pocket along with hopefully creating a better run blockign group.
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I think running back is the weakest link, but I would not enter the 2013 season with the current safeties Green Bay has. Only Burnett is a starting caliber player, in my assessment.

Frankly, I think the roster is as weak as it's been in quite some time. This is a vulnerable team and I'm very worried about the 2013 season. A strong draft and player development (Nick Perry & Derek Sherrod) would ease my concerns.

Regarding the first round, it's an incredible safety class. Kenny Vaccaro, Jonathan Cyprien, Eric Reid, and Matt Elam are worthy of first round consideration. Simply put, it's possible that one of them is the best player on the board at No. 26.
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
3-4 DE or LT. There isn't a Nick Collins in this draft and even Nick was a 2nd rounder that took a full 3 years to mature into the position. We did loose communication with his loss, but even more, is we lost his speed. He was capable of covering sideline to sideline which allowed the CB to have faith that they can play trail technique and jump routes knowing Nick would be there.

We need pass rush that collapses the pocket preventing the QB from getting away from Clay by stepping up. And We need to strengthen the Oline to give Rodgers some time, and allow him to feel more comfortable in the pocket along with hopefully creating a better run blockign group.


This is pretty much what I would say. LT is only a need if Sherrod isn't healthy. D Line is the biggest need, although OLB is close, depending on Perry. I think the young Safeties will be OK, and even if we drafted somebody in the high rounds, he would need a year or two to settle in.

Also, most of the highly rated Safeties don't fit the Nick Collins prototype - being big hitters instead of coverage guys as the Packers like.
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