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sschind  
#1 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 7:00:45 AM(UTC)
Does anyone recall the several posts from prior to the game that said the Packers should give Kaepernick a couple of good shots even if they were late hits just to shut him up. Well, Matthews did that and we are bitching about it.

Matthews made two of the best plays I have ever seen on defense the one where he nailed the RB for a loss right after taking the hand off and the other where he nailed CK for the sack after he faked the hand off.

No doubt about it, the packers prepared to stop the read option and they did it well. The problem is it played right into Harbaugh's hands. He knew we had to and we would concentrate on stopping that aspect of the game so he let that become our downfall. We concentrated so much on not letting the 49ers run all over us that we forgot that they can throw the ball as well.

Some will say it is superior coaching but in MMs defense he had no choice but to do what he did. He had to make the adjustment and he did. Harbaugh just made on as well. Its like a goalie during a penalty kick in that other game they call football. He has to make a guess which way the kick will go. Harbaugh made the right guess as to which way Mike McCarthy would go.

I think it was Williams who dropped the potential pick six on the first series and I remember thinking "this does not bode well" but then again I remember also thinking "he will get the next one" so I'm not sure what it all means. In games like this though those plays are critical.

Our run D was great but I wonder how much of that was Harbaugh saying "we will give you that as long as we can keep throwing the ball" Don't get me wrong, we really stuffed them at first but toward the end they started hitting a few better runs (damn Gore TD cost me a game a game as well. I lost by 5.8 points.) I'm not sure if the results would have been the same for our run defense had the 49ers committed to running the ball. I'm also not sure what that says about my confidence in our defense as a whole

I knew I should have moved Boldin up on my list and I said I was going to but when it came right down to it I didn't make the move soon enough. I also had Davis in my sights and someone nabbed him a round before me. I waited a round longer than I may have because I was also looking at Jordan Cameron (or is it Cameron Jordan) from Cleveland whom I eventually got 4 rounds later.

My overall reaction to the game. Frustration. Not disappointment because, while I am certainly disappointed, I honestly had this game down for as a loss for us. I knew we could win and thought that maybe we would win and I do think we could have won (hence the frustration) but I would not have bet money on us.

Others have said it, this was a difficult game to play on the road against one of the best teams in the league and we came pretty close to beating them. There are no moral victories (and I am not sure this would qualify as one anyway) but there were a lot of positives to take away from this loss. I won't go over them again because other threads have covered it. I'll just leave you with this. You can dwell on the negatives or you can focus the positives. Its either a pile of horse crap or there is a pony around here somewhere. Me? I'm looking for that pony... but I am not forgetting to hold my nose as I do so.
Pack93z  
#2 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 7:09:43 AM(UTC)
The only complaint I have about Matthews hit.. was the timing of the hit. In both the game situation and play situation.. other than that, he played a beautifully physical game.

I mentioned last week about someone channeling his inner "Wayne Simmons".. Matthews certainly fulfilled.

One thing I did note all game long.. almost no impact from Perry or anyone else on the opposite edge.
musccy  
#3 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 7:41:01 AM(UTC)
I actually thought Perry had some nice plays...can't recall the specifics but there was one when he was the only left edge rusher and he did a nice spin move around SF's right tackle to contain Kaep and push him back inside into more pressure.

Agreed that aside from Matthews 1 bonehead play, he had a phenomenal game.

I can live with the team throwing all the eggs into the read option basket. Imagine the outrage/panic if the 49ers gashed the Pack again on the ground! It's not as if the Packers didn't have cornerbacks back there and were selling out with 11 in the box. The secondary was there to make plays, they just didn't.
play2win  
#4 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 7:44:43 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
The only complaint I have about Matthews hit.. was the timing of the hit. In both the game situation and play situation.. other than that, he played a beautifully physical game.

I mentioned last week about someone channeling his inner "Wayne Simmons".. Matthews certainly fulfilled.

One thing I did note all game long.. almost no impact from Perry or anyone else on the opposite edge.


Exactly. Where the F was ANYONE ELSE, other than Matthews? Unbelievable. The list of Packers MIAs is long.

Is Ted Thompson misreading his personnel moves on D? Is Mike McCarthy and his staff failing to develop the talent Ted is giving them? Are they just not very good players?

Perry looked horrible in getting swept into the blocks, unable to get out, time and time again. Datone Jones did very little to create any kind of pressure. Brad Jones? 6-3" - with speed - and the guy cannot cover over the middle? WTF? I will say this, two of these three players had their success in college as edge rushers on the DL. The conversions to LB look to be failing miserably. Why are we trying to force square pegs into round holes? Constantly? If we want a good outside LB, why don't we just draft one like we did with Matthews? F.

Brad Jones and Nick Perry are undersized DEs at the pro level. In Green Bay, they are forced to play LB positions that are not natural fits for either player.

Can anyone explain why MD Jennings is still a Packer? Has he exhibited ANY skill as a S?

Why did we not see more of Davon House in our secondary? He made some good STs plays. I just don't get this. The mismanagement of talent on this team blows my mind. The Packers did not look prepared. They played reactionary. They exacted no will upon the 49ers. None. They gave away countless opportunities, on a hostile field. Finley? Ross? Lacy? Sitton? Did these 4 players not want to win? Did they not know what the stakes were? How many $8 Million mistakes can we put up with from Finley? His gaffes almost always cost us Wins. And, that was another important Win that we let slip away into the abyss. We looked like dog shit. Ross? Are you F'in kidding me? Bringing that ball out? Lacy? You know about protecting the rock. No? Sitton? How many holding calls? How many drive killers?

Mike McCarthy should take a good long look at himself in the mirror. So should Dom. So should Ted. Honestly, we look like we are running a Chinese Fire Drill on Offense. WTF? And, again, we look like we do not have the talent on Defense to compete. WTF?

I'll add that Kaepernick and Boldin are clearly a class above the rest. They proved as much yesterday. We had no answer. Again. We looked like we didn't belong. Again. I am super disappointed in this Packers loss. This team has some more work to do if they want to compete.
nerdmann  
#5 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 10:03:12 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post

No doubt about it, the packers prepared to stop the read option and they did it well. The problem is it played right into Harbaugh's hands. He knew we had to and we would concentrate on stopping that aspect of the game so he let that become our downfall. We concentrated so much on not letting the 49ers run all over us that we forgot that they can throw the ball as well.

Some will say it is superior coaching but in MMs defense he had no choice but to do what he did. He had to make the adjustment and he did. Harbaugh just made on as well. Its like a goalie during a penalty kick in that other game they call football. He has to make a guess which way the kick will go. Harbaugh made the right guess as to which way Mike McCarthy would go.


I do believe there is more Mike could have done. He could have burned clock to keep Kaepernick off the field. Fewer plays mean fewer opportunities.

And fresher defense.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 10:04:35 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Exactly. Where the F was ANYONE ELSE, other than Matthews? Unbelievable. The list of Packers MIAs is long.

Is Ted Thompson misreading his personnel moves on D? Is Mike McCarthy and his staff failing to develop the talent Ted is giving them? Are they just not very good players?

Perry looked horrible in getting swept into the blocks, unable to get out, time and time again. Datone Jones did very little to create any kind of pressure. Brad Jones? 6-3" - with speed - and the guy cannot cover over the middle? WTF? I will say this, two of these three players had their success in college as edge rushers on the DL. The conversions to LB look to be failing miserably. Why are we trying to force square pegs into round holes? Constantly? If we want a good outside LB, why don't we just draft one like we did with Matthews? F.

Brad Jones and Nick Perry are undersized DEs at the pro level. In Green Bay, they are forced to play LB positions that are not natural fits for either player.

Can anyone explain why MD Jennings is still a Packer? Has he exhibited ANY skill as a S?

Why did we not see more of Davon House in our secondary? He made some good STs plays. I just don't get this. The mismanagement of talent on this team blows my mind. The Packers did not look prepared. They played reactionary. They exacted no will upon the 49ers. None. They gave away countless opportunities, on a hostile field. Finley? Ross? Lacy? Sitton? Did these 4 players not want to win? Did they not know what the stakes were? How many $8 Million mistakes can we put up with from Finley? His gaffes almost always cost us Wins. And, that was another important Win that we let slip away into the abyss. We looked like dog sh!t. Ross? Are you F'in kidding me? Bringing that ball out? Lacy? You know about protecting the rock. No? Sitton? How many holding calls? How many drive killers?

Mike McCarthy should take a good long look at himself in the mirror. So should Dom. So should Ted. Honestly, we look like we are running a Chinese Fire Drill on Offense. WTF? And, again, we look like we do not have the talent on Defense to compete. WTF?

I'll add that Kaepernick and Boldin are clearly a class above the rest. They proved as much yesterday. We had no answer. Again. We looked like we didn't belong. Again. I am super disappointed in this Packers loss. This team has some more work to do if they want to compete.


Perry is fine. We were NOT attempting to pressure the QB in this game. We were trying to CONTAIN him. Big difference. That's gonna be the plan against RGIII this coming week too.

Hopefully we won't also leave their best WR uncovered for the entire game.
sschind  
#7 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 10:30:51 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I do believe there is more Mike could have done. He could have burned clock to keep Kaepernick off the field. Fewer plays mean fewer opportunities.

And fresher defense.


Oh, I agree Mike McCarthy missed a few opportunities here. I was referring specifically about his options with regards to stopping the run option to keep from getting beat like we did in the playoffs last year. He did what he had to do there.
steveishere  
#8 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 10:39:25 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I do believe there is more Mike could have done. He could have burned clock to keep Kaepernick off the field. Fewer plays mean fewer opportunities.

And fresher defense.


You arent going to sustain many long drives with the pass pro we were getting and the inability to run. One sack and your drive is over. That gameplan would have just ended with very few long drives and very few points in the board.
DarkaneRules  
#9 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 10:48:48 AM(UTC)
Well I will keep stroking the 49ers ego some more. They may be the best team in the league and it is pick your poison with them. They are great in ALL phases of the game. They had a while to get to this point amassing great players with great execution, and now probably have the best coaching staff as well.

We stayed with them to the very end. It would have been awesome to be the best team in the league in week 1, but we aren't. Sucks. We played right there with them though. Showed up much better than the last two times. Encouraging but we just have to continue to get better.

First step: Give Ross and stern talking to or replace him on returns.
nerdmann  
#10 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 11:01:40 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You arent going to sustain many long drives with the pass pro we were getting and the inability to run. One sack and your drive is over. That gameplan would have just ended with very few long drives and very few points in the board.


Quote:
Rodgers led fast-paced touchdown drives of 6 plays, 80 yards (1:47); 8 plays, 62 yards (1:16); 7 plays, 69 yards (2:48) and 8 plays, 76 yards (2:30).


I also think some screens would have been pretty sweet yesterday. Remember that one to Lacy? I got wood from that play.
gbguy20  
#11 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 11:03:26 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I also think some screens would have been pretty sweet yesterday. Remember that one to Lacy? I got wood from that play.


first succesful screen ive seen us run since the days of sherman and ahman
Dulak  
#12 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 11:29:06 AM(UTC)
Nice post sschind!

reminds me of this game errr I thought it was last year; maybe falcons or ... bah I cant remember was going against a read option team - san fran or Washington or seattle ... anyways - they decided they were going to stop the read option also and dedicated one guy to always check the qb; problem was it was one guy used up and that let the other team use their running back much more effectively.
steveishere  
#13 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 12:53:53 PM(UTC)
You don't understand Nerdman. If the offensive line is getting beat up on a majority of their plays you probably aren't going to have much luck if you are trying to go on a 15 play drive while only passing the ball. Also just because a drive took 2 minutes off the clock that doesn't mean the defense only got to rest for 2 minutes. An 8 play drive gives the defense 8 plays of rest whether it took 2 or 6 minutes off the clock. The offense ran the full time off the play clock on every play. 3 and outs hurt but that's what happens when you can't run and you get penalties.
DoddPower  
#14 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 1:43:40 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't understand Nerdman. If the offensive line is getting beat up on a majority of their plays you probably aren't going to have much luck if you are trying to go on a 15 play drive while only passing the ball. Also just because a drive took 2 minutes off the clock that doesn't mean the defense only got to rest for 2 minutes. An 8 play drive gives the defense 8 plays of rest whether it took 2 or 6 minutes off the clock. The offense ran the full time off the play clock on every play. 3 and outs hurt but that's what happens when you can't run and you get penalties.


Yeah, I agree. Obviously, LONG drives that result in touchdowns are ideal. However, ideal situations aren't going to happen often against a team like the 49'ers. Ultimately, the goal is to score a touchdown, regardless of how it happens. Are the Packers supposed to turn down a long completion simply to try to sustain a longer drive?. BS. Take what's available. If the offense has an opportunity to score a touchdown, score it. Scoring on long drives is incredibly difficult, especially with the Packers offensive line and the SF defense. Ultimately, it's not going to happen very often. Small lapses in the defense must be taken advantage of when they present themselves, even if it's the first play every drive. It would be one thing if the Packers were averaging 5 yards per carry consistently up and down the field, but stopped running in order to pass. But that clearly wasn't the case in this game.

Besides, even when the defense was "fresh," they weren't stopping them very well, either.

play2win  
#15 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 1:57:48 PM(UTC)
I have a thought: MD Jennings, Jerron McMillian and Jarret Bush had absolutely horrific games. Horrific. So did Ross and his really poor decision making.

Change that and we win this game.
DoddPower  
#16 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 2:04:43 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I have a thought: MD Jennings, Jerron McMillian and Jarret Bush had absolutely horrific games. Horrific. So did Ross and his really poor decision making.

Change that and we win this game.


I did think that MD Jennings and McMillian had pathetic games. I obviously don't know all the defensive calls and whom was responsible for what, but from what I could tell, those guys sucked. BAD. I've never been a fan of Jennings. I like McMillian due do his physicality and speed, but my confidence is beginning to waiver in him, as well. I hoped/expected him to really take a step forward this season.
nerdmann  
#17 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 2:27:15 PM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
I did think that MD Jennings and McMillian had pathetic games. I obviously don't know all the defensive calls and whom was responsible for what, but from what I could tell, those guys sucked. BAD. I've never been a fan of Jennings. I like McMillian due do his physicality and speed, but my confidence is beginning to waiver in him, as well. I hoped/expected him to really take a step forward this season.


They're good backups.

Micah Hyde is the future at S.
DoddPower  
#18 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 2:37:05 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
They're good backups.

Micah Hyde is the future at S.


At this point, I can't even say they're good backups. Perhaps adequate, but good just seems like a little much for me. McMillian clearly has the potential to be good, but he's not there yet, and may never be. I just don't like Jennings period, and never have. I don't think he's very good, and has a low ceiling.

buckeyepackfan  
#19 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 3:22:00 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I have a thought: MD Jennings, Jerron McMillian and Jarret Bush had absolutely horrific games. Horrific. So did Ross and his really poor decision making.

Change that and we win this game.


So your solution is cut these 4 players.

Who is going to play in their place?

You can express your disappointment all you want on THE TEAMS performance.

These are the guys Ted and Mike have decided give The Packers the best chance to succeed in 2013.

They aren't going anywhere, I will agree with you that Ross could be in trouble, he is the #5 receiver and can easily be replaced.

The rest are going to be important parts of the defense/special teams the rest of this year.

Let The 49rs be the so called "best" team in The NFL, its week 1, the only people who make a big deal out of week 1 rankings are "the talking heads" in the media.

I can't remember at anytime a team winning a championship in September, disappointing loss yes, end of the season, NO!
Gaycandybacon  
#20 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 4:17:36 PM(UTC)
I don't see them cutting their Safteys. Sure you wanna cut Jennings, but like buckeye said. It wouldn't do anything. Best thing you can do is bench Jennings. Maybe bring in a street free agent. Try out Banjo, what else do we have to lose? I want to see Jennings only on special teams, where he made this team in the first place.

I say give Banjo a shot if Burnett can't go next week and if Jennings is struggling. We need a spark there I think we could get that from Banjo pared up with McMillian. The coaching staff might be to stubburn, but we need something man.

My game plan against running QBs. Just blitz the shit out them, and play aggressive man to man coverage. Seriously! Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3 aren't only good at running the football, they can throw the football well too. Do not make them feel comfortable in the pocket with a 4 man rush. Fill all those gaps up and make them feel pressured to get the ball out quickly and cause turnovers. Just like we did against Wilson in the preseason, that worked like magic. Sure you have to account for their running ablity, but our Defensive line is more stout and understand how to play it now. As well more for the LBs too. The thing that beat us against the 49ers is we let their big guys, Bolden, Davis, get open because we did not do shit to make them uncomfortable at the line of scrimmage. At the times we played them aggressively it worked. But most of the time, we tried to contain more then challenge them.

Use Hyde to were he is fit to play the best football. Around the line of scrimmage. Get the kid more playing time. He is a better nickel corner than Bush. Throw him in the mold and the more and more as the game and the season goes on he will make plays. I saw him blitz yesterday and Matthews did that stunt sack. That was very successful. I think they should use him more, and just play aggressive football like Dom likes.
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