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Offline nyrpack  
#16 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 4:30:33 PM(UTC)
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had a bad game, but it was against a very good defensive team !!
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#17 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2013 9:18:53 PM(UTC)
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A couple of things.. the coaches can say it all they want.. but flipping guys from one side to the other impacts their play.. especially when the competition is a pro bowl player like Justin Smith, that dude is a physical beast.

It was the first game.. and I think at least two of those calls were legit.. Sitton has to clean that up before we see these guys again.

People talk about Suh... but Justin Smith for my money is right there with the best defensive lineman in the league.


As usual 93 Z is a keyboard typing read of reason.

The switch of Lang and Sitton did not work out as planned on either side of the line. It was the first game, and everyone here besides perhaps... (Insert Packers Home Member Name Here.) knows that the O line needs time to jell as a unit.

93 Z is as right as rain, Smith is a BEAST.

Right off the bat.. Smith made Sitton look horrible on a running play? (First drive?) I think Smith got right in Sitton's head, right there and right then.

You know O Linemen. They are too smart, to analytical, and tend to over think things. Sitton will be fine.

Great Post 93 Z...

BUT THEN AGAIN... I SURE CAN UNDERSTAND ZERO's Frustration.

14 and 2 on the year. TRUST ME! : )
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:29:49 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
There were many times he held inside the pads. Plain as day. Disappointing.


DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, I don't get it. The holds were incredibly obvious, imo. Thinking otherwise is seeing things through green and gold glasses. Holds often could go either way, but Sitton definitely was blatantly holding several times.


Blocking Lineman are permitted to grasp defenders inside the shoulder pads. What you saw was not illegal, it was OK.

From the NFL rule book: "Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops."

I think one of the calls on Sitton was obviously correct, as he got one arm outside of Smith's body and prevented lateral movement toward the ball carrier.
I thought another one of the calls was close, ticky-tack, or good acting by Smith... not sure.
One of them though (I believe it was the third one called, where Sitton through up his hands in disgust afterwards) seemed like a perfectly legal block to me. I can see why Clements and company would not agree with all of the calls.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:34:47 PM(UTC)
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Blocking Lineman are permitted to grasp defenders inside the shoulder pads. What you saw was not illegal, it was OK.

From the NFL rule book: "Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops."

I think one of the calls on Sitton was obviously correct, as he got one arm outside of Smith's body and prevented lateral movement toward the ball carrier.
I thought another one of the calls was close, ticky-tack, or good acting by Smith... not sure.
One of them though (I believe it was the third one called, where Sitton through up his hands in disgust afterwards) seemed like a perfectly legal block to me. I can see why Clements and company would not agree with all of the calls.


It's well known, but holding calls can almost always go either way, except for the incredibly obvious ones. I thought Sitton was holding on his penalties, but I wouldn't have been shocked to see them not called, either. Things always look a lot different when one is a few feet away at live speed. Much different, usually. As someone who has been an umpire for base ball and soft ball a lot, I can attest to that fact. It's very difficult. I can't imagine how hard it must be at NFL speed. If something is in the gray area, I'm not surprised if it's called or not called. In fact, I think there were several holding calls against the Packers that weren't called, but that didn't surprise me. It can go either way.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:57:05 PM(UTC)
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DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
It's well known, but holding calls can almost always go either way, except for the incredibly obvious ones. I thought Sitton was holding on his penalties, but I wouldn't have been shocked to see them not called, either. Things always look a lot different when one is a few feet away at live speed. Much different, usually. As someone who has been an umpire for base ball and soft ball a lot, I can attest to that fact. It's very difficult. I can't imagine how hard it must be at NFL speed. If something is in the gray area, I'm not surprised if it's called or not called. In fact, I think there were several holding calls against the Packers that weren't called, but that didn't surprise me. It can go either way.


Yeah. I can't imagine what it would be like at that speed. My only refereeing experience is at recreational level soccer leagues, but even then it can always be tough to see exactly what happened.

I also thought I saw several holds that were uncalled by both teams actually. I'm glad that holding isn't called every down.

The real reason for that post was the rules clarification though, because I wasn't sure whether everyone was clear on it or not.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:01:09 PM(UTC)
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Yeah. I can't imagine what it would be like at that speed. My only refereeing experience is at recreational level soccer leagues, but even then it can always be tough to see exactly what happened.

I also thought I saw several holds that were uncalled by both teams actually. I'm glad that holding isn't called every down.

The real reason for that post was the rules clarification though, because I wasn't sure whether everyone was clear on it or not.


I honestly think the rules in the NFL are getting out of hand. The officials have such an impact on the games now. I feel like I'm watching (and paying: Sunday ticket, Satellite, etc.) to watch the game, not a bunch of zebras throw yellow snot rags all over the field. It just gets on my nerves and is only getting worse.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:57:50 AM(UTC)
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DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
I honestly think the rules in the NFL are getting out of hand. The officials have such an impact on the games now. I feel like I'm watching (and paying: Sunday ticket, Satellite, etc.) to watch the game, not a bunch of zebras throw yellow snot rags all over the field. It just gets on my nerves and is only getting worse.


There's a reason a lot of refs who are lawyers.

Look at the way people (players, coaches, fine-givers, and, yes, fans) nit-pick and line-draw and engage in the meaning of every word in the rules.

Someone once said that "perfection is the enemy of the good." This fits perfect here. We all seem to expect that every call must be right. That's simply silly. It's not possible. People make mistakes. And no amount of lawyering and careful rule-writing is going to change that. Because interpreters of rules are people, too. And people make mistakes.

We all need to get used to that and move. Football as done by the NFL is incredibly good. But it's not good because the NFL has a rule book that it takes a lawyer to interpret. It's good because the people who play football are incredibly good at what they do.

Not perfect. Blockers, tacklers, runners, passers, catchers, kickers...they're good. They're never going to be perfect.

And neither are refs. But the more we try to ensure the refs are perfect (by changing and complicating the rules), the more the refs are going to interfere with the essential goodness of the product.

Refs are going to miss calls. Sometimes its going to make a significant difference. It happens. Get used to it and move on.

IMO

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