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Offline texaspackerbacker  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:58:11 PM(UTC)

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6 or 7 years ago or whatever it was, I was posting in a couple of other forums, and there was this big controversy. Should we use the highest first round pick we had in a long time before or since to take A.J. Hawk or Vernon Davis? As I recall, it was about 70/30 in favor of taking Hawk. I was in the minority, favoring Davis.

I'd like to know - as honestly as possible hahahaha - 1 where people in here stood in that debate back then, and 2 where they stand now in terms of taking Hawk over Davis.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:24:24 PM(UTC)

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
6 or 7 years ago or whatever it was, I was posting in a couple of other forums, and there was this big controversy. Should we use the highest first round pick we had in a long time before or since to take A.J. Hawk or Vernon Davis? As I recall, it was about 70/30 in favor of taking Hawk. I was in the minority, favoring Davis.

I'd like to know - as honestly as possible hahahaha - 1 where people in here stood in that debate back then, and 2 where they stand now in terms of taking Hawk over Davis.


IMO davis is the best WR out there and has been for awhile ... dude is a stud.

finley looks like he might make a comeback this year - wouldnt be surprised if he has some nice numbers also - I didnt follow the pack as closely back then so ...
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:28:38 PM(UTC)

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I took my dog out of the fight because I was Al Davis'd with the freaky numbers VERNON Davis put up. I wasn't thrilled with A.J. Hawk, but he basically is what every said he was going to be. Everyone (sports brilliant folk that is) said that Hawk peaked already and was low risk. You knew what you'd get. Davis could be a star TE or a star athlete in underwear only.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:37:14 PM(UTC)

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Just another Ted Thompson F--k up!!!!
[duh] [duh] [duh] [duh] [duh] [duh]
another in a long length OF GM miscues, starting as far back as 1989..when.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
DAMNIT WE COULD HAVE HAD BARRY SANDERS!!!!!!!!!
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:02:21 PM(UTC)

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In hindsight, I would prefer V. Davis. Hawk is a solid player, but it's nice to get a rare athletic specimen when picking that high, imo. Decent to good linebackers can be found elsewhere. The truly elite athletes that are also good NFL players are rare and very tough to come by.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 4:15:50 PM(UTC)

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coming out of school at ohio state, i was thrilled to land hawk, hes a good player that unfortunately didnt live up to the hype, but it could have been alot worse !!
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:10:57 PM(UTC)

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I would take Haloti Ngata over both.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:00:07 PM(UTC)

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I've never taken sides on we should take this player or that. I would have been pleased with either.

Hawk has been exactly what he was seen as. The safest pick of the draft. Not the highest upside, but very little risk of being a failure. He was never expected to be Ray Lewis. He has been dependable, and he has been reasonably priced. He is not flashy, but the coaches say he is always where he is suppose to be. He is unselfish, he is like the FB of the defense. He takes on the lead blockers so others can make the play.

I am not sure how Davis would have fit into the offense. He definately had the talent, but that was a time when the offense was building the fab 5 WR group. TE was not a big part of the offense at that time, we were using them mostly for blocking with occasional routes.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:04:21 PM(UTC)

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I've never taken sides on we should take this player or that. I would have been pleased with either.

Hawk has been exactly what he was seen as. The safest pick of the draft. Not the highest upside, but very little risk of being a failure. He was never expected to be Ray Lewis. He has been dependable, and he has been reasonably priced. He is not flashy, but the coaches say he is always where he is suppose to be. He is unselfish, he is like the FB of the defense. He takes on the lead blockers so others can make the play.

I am not sure how Davis would have fit into the offense. He definately had the talent, but that was a time when the offense was building the fab 5 WR group. TE was not a big part of the offense at that time, we were using them mostly for blocking with occasional routes.


A good coach would make someone as talented as Davis fit into their system. Also, drafting him would have probably changed some other moves as well, so it's hard to predict.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:12:32 PM(UTC)

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A good coach would make someone as talented as Davis fit into their system. Also, drafting him would have probably changed some other moves as well, so it's hard to predict.


True, but there is no telling what the team would look like today? If they took an offensive receiving threat, would they still have taken Jennings in the 2nd. Would they still have followed with Jones and Nelson the following years. The team would more than likely be completely different, and that could be better or worse. Nobody will ever know.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:46:20 PM(UTC)

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I recall wanting to trade up for Mario Williams or Bush. But I wanted Hawk over the workout warrior Vernon Davis. It took Mike Singletary kicking Davis' ass for three years to get the player we see now to come out. As far as I'm concerned, that's Singletary's team in San Francisco, and I wish we would bring him in to coach our defense.

So for the record Texas, I did not want VD.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2013 8:48:14 PM(UTC)

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buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Just another Ted Thompson F--k up!!!!
[duh] [duh] [duh] [duh] [duh] [duh]
another in a long length OF GM miscues, starting as far back as 1989..when.............................................................................................................................................................................................................
DAMNIT WE COULD HAVE HAD BARRY SANDERS!!!!!!!!!


Get over yourself and your Hawk fetish, already. This is actually a good thread.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:51:07 AM(UTC)

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I might not remember hawk vs davis but I do remember mandrich vs sanders - that was a good one huh - we should get a poster or mandrich for zero :)
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:55:42 AM(UTC)

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Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
but I do remember mandrich vs sanders - that was a good one huh


The Pack should get complimentary draft picks for the next 100 years for that one.

As for the thread, I liked the Hawk pick at the time, likely using 20/20 hindsight I'd side with Vernon.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:04:33 AM(UTC)

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I would take Haloti Ngata over both.


Indeed. I wanted Ngata.

Imagine how different THAT team would have been. We had to wait till 2009 to get some beef in the middle with Raji.

We would have had a fierce DL, with Barnett and Bishop in their primes in the middle. Might have been better off that way.

Davis seemed too much like a Barbie.

Hawk was the safe pick that 95% of prognosticators mocked correctly to GB.
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