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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:30:15 PM(UTC)
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Two helmet-to-helmet hits on Green Bay Packers running backs have Washington safety Brandon Meriweather a little lighter in the pocketbook.
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Confirmed #Redskins safety Brandon Meriweather fined $42K (on twitter).

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:53:21 PM(UTC)
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I would say he should be suspended as long as Lacy is out, but he will already be out that long.

Will be interested to see if he learned anything when he does get back.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:23:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
I would say he should be suspended as long as Lacy is out, but he will already be out that long.

Will be interested to see if he learned anything when he does get back.


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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:23:34 PM(UTC)
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I guess they figured the suspension Starks gave him was enough.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:25:43 PM(UTC)
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:08:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
"punished"


ya nice! - Glad at least he got a fine even thou no penalty was called ... man just watched the san fran seattle game ... just as rough of a game but this time san fran was on the other end.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:09:21 PM(UTC)
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Slap on the wrist. Nothing in the NFL will ever change with these types of penalties. Two perfect shots of Meriweather targeting the head of a runner, and succeeding, and all they can come up with is 42K?
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:15:34 PM(UTC)
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He's been fined $40K for a helmet-to-helmet hit before (after winning an appeal to decrease the fine from $50K)... that extra $2K on a 7 digit salary will learn him!
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:56:56 PM(UTC)
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The victim is a Packer in this case, so I'm all for as heavy a punishment as possible, but sometime, the shoe will be on the other foot - or even just somebody hitting whoever the hell it is.

Call me evil; Call me old-fashioned; Whatever, but I just can't get into this whole mentality of no helmet to helmet/put a skirt on the QBs/ don't hit a "defenseless" receiver/ all that silly crap.

These guys get paid multiple millions to play a fun game that almost any of us would give almost anything to be good enough to play. Part of what they get paid so much for IMNHO, is the risk - and really it is a damn small risk even with helmet to helmet contact - of getting their brains scrambled. If they aren't up to that risk, let them quit the game and give up that HUGE money they get paid.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:06:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
The victim is a Packer in this case, so I'm all for as heavy a punishment as possible, but sometime, the shoe will be on the other foot - or even just somebody hitting whoever the hell it is.

Call me evil; Call me old-fashioned; Whatever, but I just can't get into this whole mentality of no helmet to helmet/put a skirt on the QBs/ don't hit a "defenseless" receiver/ all that silly crap.

These guys get paid multiple millions to play a fun game that almost any of us would give almost anything to be good enough to play. Part of what they get paid so much for IMNHO, is the risk - and really it is a damn small risk even with helmet to helmet contact - of getting their brains scrambled. If they aren't up to that risk, let them quit the game and give up that HUGE money they get paid.


Letting them take the risk cost the guys who write the checks a lot of money. Whether anyone likes it or not that = change. Also the truth is we don't really know that much about the human brain and how impacts like that effect it. Unless you are some sort of brain expert you aren't really very qualified to say it's a "really damn small risk".
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:14:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: K_Buz Go to Quoted Post
Slap on the wrist. Nothing in the NFL will ever change with these types of penalties. Two perfect shots of Meriweather targeting the head of a runner, and succeeding, and all they can come up with is 42K?


As was stated above, I think the NFL took into account that he sort of suspended himself already.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:47:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Also the truth is we don't really know that much about the human brain and how impacts like that effect it.


The truth is football is a dangerous sport and they knew that when they signed on and that is all that matters so screw you and your we don't really know that much about the human brain
crap.


That was sarcasm by the way
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:48:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
The truth is football is a dangerous sport and they knew that when they signed on and that is all that matters so screw you and your we don't really know that much about the human brain
crap.


That was sarcasm by the way


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#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:35:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
The truth is football is a dangerous sport and they knew that when they signed on and that is all that matters so screw you and your we don't really know that much about the human brain
crap.


That was sarcasm by the way


Football is dangerous enough without a bunch of jackoffs intentionally trying to injure one another. Merriweather should have been banned a whole season. That jackass James Harrison should have had a lifetime ban with all his cheap shots.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:44:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Letting them take the risk cost the guys who write the checks a lot of money. Whether anyone likes it or not that = change. Also the truth is we don't really know that much about the human brain and how impacts like that effect it. Unless you are some sort of brain expert you aren't really very qualified to say it's a "really damn small risk".


I'll say the same thing sschind said, except it AIN'T sarcasm. I don't have any sympathy for anybody makes who knows how many million $ playing a fun game KNOWING he is risking messing up his future life from brain injury. I also have little or no sympathy for the people writing the checks for those salaries (even less for the God damned lawyers and agents sticking their noses into the controversy).

As for the "small risk" you take the sum total of all NFL players and the sum total of all significant long term brain problems as a fraction of that, and hell yeah it is small. Furthermore, you take the sum total of all head first hits or even helmet to helmet hits, and the sum total of all even short term brain injuries - concussions as a fraction of that, and I'd venture to say that is a pretty small fraction also.

Besides, as I said, anybody not willing to take the risk can always quit and pass up that HUGE money for playing a fun game. I don't see very many doing that. Therefore, why make it less risky just because some namby pamby fools get all sanctimonious about the rare consequences?
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:06:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I'll say the same thing sschind said, except it AIN'T sarcasm. I don't have any sympathy for anybody makes who knows how many million $ playing a fun game KNOWING he is risking messing up his future life from brain injury. I also have little or no sympathy for the people writing the checks for those salaries (even less for the God damned lawyers and agents sticking their noses into the controversy).


Thing is your sympathy means exactly jack and shit one way or the other. It's not your money it's theirs and they'll do with it what they wish. Hence the rules changing. Fans are going to keep watching football and people who get seriously hurt are going to keep suing the people in charge so they are going to try and keep people from getting seriously hurt. Your personal feelings don't figure into the equation.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:14:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post

As for the "small risk" you take the sum total of all NFL players and the sum total of all significant long term brain problems as a fraction of that, and hell yeah it is small. Furthermore, you take the sum total of all head first hits or even helmet to helmet hits, and the sum total of all even short term brain injuries - concussions as a fraction of that, and I'd venture to say that is a pretty small fraction also.


Really? So what are the numbers then? What are the sum totals of brain damage? You really have no clue what the numbers are. You are making a guess on numbers that have been wholly undocumented over the years. There is no list on how many people have been damaged and how damaged they are and how many people were uninjured. Nobody knows. You are "venturing to say" your opinion on something that experts who spend their life studying don't even know that much about.

Either way if the guys in charge of the NFL did what you wanted and didn't give a shit about people getting TBIs or dieing the game wouldn't exist for very much longer. So your genius ideas would kill the game and it wouldn't matter anyway. Don't understand how you cannot see that.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:25:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Thing is your sympathy means exactly jack and sh!t one way or the other. It's not your money it's theirs and they'll do with it what they wish. Hence the rules changing. Fans are going to keep watching football and people who get seriously hurt are going to keep suing the people in charge so they are going to try and keep people from getting seriously hurt. Your personal feelings don't figure into the equation.


You are exactly right about that. Therefore, I will go on to say, hahahahaha, that the REAL evil here is the media people - stirring up similar feelings as valuable as jack shit in favor of all this silly shit. The damn media is on the same level of rottenness as the God damned blood-sucking lawyers who enable the damn lawsuits, etc. you are talking about.

Just expressing some jack shit feelings hahahaha.

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:42:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Really? So what are the numbers then? What are the sum totals of brain damage? You really have no clue what the numbers are. You are making a guess on numbers that have been wholly undocumented over the years. There is no list on how many people have been damaged and how damaged they are and how many people were uninjured. Nobody knows. You are "venturing to say" your opinion on something that experts who spend their life studying don't even know that much about.

Either way if the guys in charge of the NFL did what you wanted and didn't give a sh!t about people getting TBIs or dieing the game wouldn't exist for very much longer. So your genius ideas would kill the game and it wouldn't matter anyway. Don't understand how you cannot see that.


Well, you could start, I suppose, with the participants in that damn lawsuit as a fraction of total NFL players in that time period.

You are, of course, correct about that opinion, which I guess, makes my jack shit opinion about as valuable as those self-proclaimed experts.

Kill the game? You mean like it did the first hundred years or so up to now? Dying? Has anybody EVER died in an NFL game? I seem to recall a Detroit Lion back 50 or so years ago, but he had a heart attack because of a genetic disorder about cholesterol susceptibility or something - not really part of this discussion. If you can cite ANYBODY whose premature death was directly linked to head shots or whatever, I'd like to hear it. I'm pretty sure there aren't very many in all those years.

The thing that could kill the game (although almost certainly won't because people with common sense will prevail) is this idiotic emphasis and lawsuits, etc. on this ridiculous topic.

And not one word of reply about the possibility of players quitting because the risk is too great. If the risk is too great for the reward, you get out of the stock market, you don't bet on the horse, whatever. The fact that they ain't quitting in droves says the risk ain't very great - and the wimpy do-gooders want to make the risk even less? I have to ask WHY?

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:50:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
As was stated above, I think the NFL took into account that he sort of suspended himself already.



I find that hard to believe. I'm no expert in NFL contracts, but I believe he will still collect a check when he out with his concussion, but if he were to be suspended, he would not.

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:05:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Well, you could start, I suppose, with the participants in that damn lawsuit as a fraction of total NFL players in that time period.

You are, of course, correct about that opinion, which I guess, makes my jack sh!t opinion about as valuable as those self-proclaimed experts.

Kill the game? You mean like it did the first hundred years or so up to now? Dying? Has anybody EVER died in an NFL game? I seem to recall a Detroit Lion back 50 or so years ago, but he had a heart attack because of a genetic disorder about cholesterol susceptibility or something - not really part of this discussion. If you can cite ANYBODY whose premature death was directly linked to head shots or whatever, I'd like to hear it. I'm pretty sure there aren't very many in all those years.

The thing that could kill the game (although almost certainly won't because people with common sense will prevail) is this idiotic emphasis and lawsuits, etc. on this ridiculous topic.


Yeah your opinion on brains is no doubt as valid as any "self proclaimed" (not sure what makes an actual expert self-proclaimed but whatever you say) expert who has spent their life studying them...

I'm sure that information on TBIs were just as advanced 50-60 years ago as they are today. Like I said TBIs regarding football participation has until now been pretty much completely undocumented so there is probably not much information linking deaths directly to football but many football players have died prematurely and you are delusional if you think none of that ever related to them playing.

In reality though none of that even matters because the fact is getting a bunch of concussions damages your brain. If the NFL ignored all of these health/brain studies and lawsuits and just let players do whatever they wanted and keep playing with head injuries and never changed anything the NFL would be shut down until they changed things.

Whether you want them to let people go out there and fuck up their bodies doesn't matter because people whose opinions do matter to whether the league can exist or not don't want that happening. The NFL isn't just changing their rules because it makes them happy they are changing rules because they HAVE TO.

You can say you honestly think it the league did NOTHING to combat brain injuries everything would go on just like it has "the last hundred years"?
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:11:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
The victim is a Packer in this case, so I'm all for as heavy a punishment as possible, but sometime, the shoe will be on the other foot - or even just somebody hitting whoever the hell it is.

Call me evil; Call me old-fashioned; Whatever, but I just can't get into this whole mentality of no helmet to helmet/put a skirt on the QBs/ don't hit a "defenseless" receiver/ all that silly crap.

These guys get paid multiple millions to play a fun game that almost any of us would give almost anything to be good enough to play. Part of what they get paid so much for IMNHO, is the risk - and really it is a damn small risk even with helmet to helmet contact - of getting their brains scrambled. If they aren't up to that risk, let them quit the game and give up that HUGE money they get paid.


I am somewhat on the same page. There are hits to the head that happen, and there are hits to the head that are completely avoidable and should have everything possible to remove them from the game. And those are spearing. It has never been the proper way to tackle, and is not the way anybody should show our kids that play.

But as long as players are suing because they choose to play the game and have negative results from it, the league must act or lose.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:15:58 PM(UTC)
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Kill the game? You mean like it did the first hundred years or so up to now? Dying? Has anybody EVER died in an NFL game? I seem to recall a Detroit Lion back 50 or so years ago, but he had a heart attack because of a genetic disorder about cholesterol susceptibility or something - not really part of this discussion. If you can cite ANYBODY whose premature death was directly linked to head shots or whatever, I'd like to hear it. I'm pretty sure there aren't very many in all those years.


Jack Tatum's hit on Darryl Stingley paralyzed him. While it was not a concussion it was helmet to helmet hit. Darryl died at age 61.


Lionel Aldridge had mental issues. There is no way to say they weren't brought on by pounding his head against his opponent. He died at age 56.


There are hundreds of former players who we don't know if repeated hits to the head contributed to their health problems.
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#24 Posted : Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:38:54 AM(UTC)
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Good effort on the examples, but death came DECADES later, and you say yourself, there's no way to know if it was directly linked. There are a LOT of people who were never associated with football what have major bi-polar problems (or whatever it was with Aldridge) and die fairly young partly because their lifestyle.

You make my point more than countering it - two very questionable examples out of how many thousand who played in the NFL, many of which had serious hits to the head.

It's a long time since I saw the Stingly hit, BTW, and I will tell you with certainty, that kind of hit was common back then, and praised by virtually everybody - until the piece-of-crap whatevers (I am so tempted to use a political word - ooooh so terrible - here) and started getting all pious and disruptive of the status quo - the status quo almost always being a good thing (oooh is that political?)

The most significant - and IMNHO worst - effect on brains here is the WASHING of brains of the past couple of generations to be so hyper-concerned about this whole hits to the head thing.

And still nothing from the -anti crowd about risk v. reward - players NOT quitting because the danger is terrible to cause them to give up the HUGE money.
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#25 Posted : Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:32:58 AM(UTC)
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Im sure the nfl settled for 750 million even though there was no case to be made lol. Not only are you a brain damage expert you are also a better lawyer than what the nfl can afford. And all of this without even an ounce of research.
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