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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:32:49 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers is not someone who can bring this team from behind. Additionally, his two interceptions were stupid throws in the tone that he had someone wide open in the flat. Piss poor decision making.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:34:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers is not someone who can bring this team from behind. Additionally, his two interceptions were stupid throws in the tone that he had someone wide open in the flat. Piss poor decision making.


There were many fluke plays that cost us this game. Plenty to "clean up."

Aaron does need to do something about this whole "4th quarter curse" thing.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:35:59 PM(UTC)
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I'm much more concerned about all the previous failures than I am the last drive. The Packers had no choice but to try quick pass after quick pass during that last drive because they have no confidence in their pass protection. It then becomes pretty easy for those giant defensive linemen to knock down passes.

But still, I never thought the Packers would score on that last drive. Not for a second. The moral of the story for the Packers is: They can't allow themselves to be in that position at the end of games. They had PLENTY of opportunities to make sure it didn't happen throughout the course of the game, but they didn't do it.

Well deserved loss.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:42:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
I'm much more concerned about all the previous failures than I am the last drive. The Packers had no choice but to try quick pass after quick pass during that last drive because they have no confidence in their pass protection. It then becomes pretty easy for those giant defensive linemen to knock down passes.

But still, I never thought the Packers would score on that last drive. Not for a second. The moral of the story for the Packers is: They can't allow themselves to be in that position at the end of games. They had PLENTY of opportunities to make sure it didn't happen throughout the course of the game, but they didn't do it.

Well deserved loss.


The Packers show that they are the better team every week. They just don't win every week.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:47:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The Packers show that they are the better team every week. They just don't win every week.


Then Bengals were the better team today because they won. However, the Packers COULD have won this game if they weren't so sloppy so often. To their credit, losing three, almost four starters, does make things more difficult, especially on the road. This is the kind of game I think the Packers win more than they lose (6-7 times out of 10, for example). It just didn't happen this week, and rightfully so. I expect them to come back more polished after the bye, and rack up a few big division wins. Some of their issues are growing pains of a young team (as always with this team, huh?). I expect several players to improve as team moves forward, but the coaching is still a weak point, imo.
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Offline nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 1:49:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
Then Bengals were the better team today because they won. However, the Packers COULD have won this game if they weren't so sloppy so often. To their credit, losing three, almost four starters, does make things more difficult, especially on the road. This is the kind of game I think the Packers win more than they lose (6-7 times out of 10, for example). It just didn't happen this week, and rightfully so. I expect them to come back more polished after the bye, and rack up a few big division wins. Some of their issues are growing pains of a young team (as always with this team, huh?). I expect several players to improve as team moves forward, but the coaching is still a weak point, imo.


This team has the talent to beat anyone. PROBLEM: They never show up for a full 60 and they don't burn enough clock.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:12:20 PM(UTC)
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Seems like Rodgers really pressed with the game on the line. He can drive them to about the opponents 30 but then he gets impatient and presses. He's gotta clean it up. Even in the SB year it was the D left to make plays at the end of the game to secure the win. I can't really remember any game the packers down by 4 or more 3:30 to go that we actually scored a game winning TD on. You gotta find a way eventually cause we can't blow teams out every win like we did in 2010-2011
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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:44:12 PM(UTC)
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I think Vince Young was pretty good at 4th Quater comebacks....
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#9 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:45:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
This team has the talent to beat anyone. PROBLEM: They never show up for a full 60 and they don't burn enough clock.


Give us an example of any NFL team that has showed up for every minute of the 60.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:47:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Give us an example of any NFL team that has showed up for every minute of the 60.


Green Bay Packers, 1959-1967.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:53:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Green Bay Packers, 1959-1967.


So, they were never scored on and never committed a turn over and never were tackled?
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#12 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:55:31 PM(UTC)
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I personally thought that shot that we took to the endzone to James Jones (I'm pretty sure this was 1st & 10 around the 30ish yard line) was the most unneeded part of that drive. We tried several shots like that all game and they obviously took those away, unless you count some of Jordy Nelson's circus catches. Rodgers definitely didn't look like himself, but there was some bad playcalling involved as well.


But damn that that O-line create some nice runs for our backs..... if only they could be that good in pass protection...
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#13 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:07:15 PM(UTC)
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#14 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:15:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
The Packers show that they are the better team every week. They just don't win every week.


I didn't see how they showed they were the better team in week 1 and I haven't really watched this game yet (saw bits and pieces) but I'm not so sure they showed it against the Bengals either.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:26:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
I'm much more concerned about all the previous failures than I am the last drive. The Packers had no choice but to try quick pass after quick pass during that last drive because they have no confidence in their pass protection. It then becomes pretty easy for those giant defensive linemen to knock down passes.

But still, I never thought the Packers would score on that last drive. Not for a second. The moral of the story for the Packers is: They can't allow themselves to be in that position at the end of games. They had PLENTY of opportunities to make sure it didn't happen throughout the course of the game, but they didn't do it.

Well deserved loss.

The Bengals did a great job of catching on at the end. Instead of just trying to sack Rodgers, they realized the ball was coming out quickly and got their hands up to knock the ball down at the line of scrimmage.

I think you have to mix things up once you get inside Cincinnati territory, though. I saw no screens at all today, which is something Johnathan Franklin did well at UCLA.

I understand McCarthy wasn’t willing to risk anything, but sometimes you have to take a chance. If you or I can notice that a quick pass is coming from our living rooms, then Mike Zimmer can from the coaching booth. You have to adapt.

Overall, I’m not surprised at the outcome. I was down on the Pack heading into the season and they got my hopes up with their play in the first two weeks. I just find this outcome hard to stomach because it reinforces McCarthy’s and Rodgers struggles during critical points in the game. Plus, this was such an ugly game. It was wild, but neither team can feel good about how they played. There was some bad football out there.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:26:34 PM(UTC)
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Not making any excuses, but when your offensive players are dropping like flys it's hard to play good offense and win that game. The coaches must of been scrambling when Franklin got nicked up for a couple plays.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:54:41 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers AND McCarthy have to break the seal on this and start winning football games when down in the 4th Quarter against .500 teams or better. 0-18.

WTF?
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#18 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:31:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers AND McCarthy have to break the seal on this and start winning football games when down in the 4th Quarter against .500 teams or better. 0-18.

WTF?


That's just not Rodgers or McCarthy's (or the current Packers) game. Players are different. The Packers just have to capitalize on the opportunities they have to prevent themselves from being in such a situation. Much more so than not, they do just that, and it shows in the win/loss percentage.

Rodgers isn't the big time come from behind clutch quarterback. It's a weakness of his. I'm OK with that, though, because he's as good as anyone otherwise, and doesn't put himself in those situations very often. I'd prefer it that way, anyway. I don't want to see a lot of last minute drives for the win. I wish he and the team were better in come from behind victories, but it is what it is. I'd prefer that those situations never happen to begin with, though, and I'm confident that will be the case pretty often for the Packers. There was certainly no need for it to happen today. Too many missed opportunities earlier in the game. I'm not sure why anyone thought it was going to be different on the last drive.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:32:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers AND McCarthy have to break the seal on this and start winning football games when down in the 4th Quarter against .500 teams or better. 0-18.

WTF?


This means nothing, unless it can be compared to at least Brett Favre and Mike McCarthy and Favre and Mike Holmgren.

Show us those numbers please. If not, then that stat is as useful as saying the team with the most points wins 100% of the time.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:03:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers is not someone who can bring this team from behind. Additionally, his two interceptions were stupid throws in the tone that he had someone wide open in the flat. Piss poor decision making.


What I would like to see is a stat that shows the number of times the QB got his team the lead in the 4th quarter, sometimes late in the 4th quarter, and the defense failed to hold it.



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#21 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:36:41 PM(UTC)
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I'm more pissed about us not being able to convert the turnovers into touchdowns. That close down the field we need to get more TD with the talent we've got on offense. We should of had at least 2 TD instead of FG's if offense had actually showed up. Only players that showed up today we're actually Franklin & Starks on the offense.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:10:52 PM(UTC)
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It's a bit difficult for Rodgers to mount a comeback when all his passes are getting tipped since the O-line is getting dominated. It's what most ball games come down to - how effective your offensive/defensive lines are.

Then again having key members of the team dropping like flies can't help either.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:16:11 PM(UTC)
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Most irritating part of this game - Cinci shot themselves in the foot several times, and rather than making the most of it the pack took the gun from them and shot themselves right back.

I was disappointed in the 4th and inches - instead of going with a sweep or anything to make the defense have to adjust - we see the usual Mike McCarthy "rushing" play call. This "up the middle" boneheaded call caused a fumble circus that costed us the lead.

I could name numerous things that made me shout 4 letter beauties, but I think we can all name the obvious ones.

Let's get healthy and clean these mistakes up!
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#24 Posted : Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:30:51 PM(UTC)
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Most irritating part of this game - Cinci shot themselves in the foot several times, and rather than making the most of it the pack took the gun from them and shot themselves right back.

I was disappointed in the 4th and inches - instead of going with a sweep or anything to make the defense have to adjust - we see the usual Mike McCarthy "rushing" play call. This "up the middle" boneheaded call caused a fumble circus that costed us the lead.

I could name numerous things that made me shout 4 letter beauties, but I think we can all name the obvious ones.

Let's get healthy and clean these mistakes up!


Ya the Rodgers interception to hall and that 4th down stupid call (feel bad for franklin even though you can't drop the rock at all times) Made me say Feck a lot too. Burnett and Hayward back against the lions? Should be a good return.
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#25 Posted : Monday, September 23, 2013 3:24:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Aaron does need to do something about this whole "4th quarter curse" thing.


Maybe we need to tag team a QB for the 4th Qtr...

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