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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:29:25 AM(UTC)
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With Mike Neal being needed at OLB that means we should see more Datone Jones, right?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:43:49 AM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:53:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
With Mike Neal being needed at OLB that means we should see more Datone Jones, right?


I wouldn't think so. Mike Neal's position this year is OLB. So the rotation at DL hasn't changed due to injury to OLB. However, it seems like I have definitely seen him on the field more recently.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:18:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. Go to Quoted Post
I wouldn't think so. Mike Neal's position this year is OLB. So the rotation at DL hasn't changed due to injury to OLB. However, it seems like I have definitely seen him on the field more recently.


They should switch Datone and Mike Daniels to OLB.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:11:58 AM(UTC)
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They should switch Datone and Mike Daniels to OLB.


I would really like to see Datone get some time at OLB. He played some LB his SR year in college as a pass rusher from a two point stance.

I think the Packers could use Datone as a pass rusher espeically on the 2-4 nickel... where OLB is really playing a 4-2 DE like role.


As for Daniels, he moves very well, but I'm not sold on him being at OLB. I wouldn't mind trying it in practice to see if it might work thought.

If Daniels is going to play a LB spot, I'd want it to be in the former 3-4 system the Packers run which was more high risk / high reward and they asked their DL to pass rush a bit more and asking their ILBers (mainly Hawk) to deal with OL getting to them more. In fact, I think Hawk was being asked to play a LB/DL hybird role, which he had to move quickly to get to a OL blocking and try to beat them while keeping the ILB clean.

I think Daniels might be a very good fit for that LB/DL tweener role.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:19:08 AM(UTC)
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Well, assuming we can get some guys healthy and the new found pass rush from Perry coming from the right holds up, Daniels and Jones should get 1 on 1 matchups on the inside. It'll be up to Jones at that point to take advantage.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:25:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
I would really like to see Datone get some time at OLB. He played some LB his SR year in college as a pass rusher from a two point stance.

I think the Packers could use Datone as a pass rusher espeically on the 2-4 nickel... where OLB is really playing a 4-2 DE like role.


As for Daniels, he moves very well, but I'm not sold on him being at OLB. I wouldn't mind trying it in practice to see if it might work thought.

If Daniels is going to play a LB spot, I'd want it to be in the former 3-4 system the Packers run which was more high risk / high reward and they asked their DL to pass rush a bit more and asking their ILBers (mainly Hawk) to deal with OL getting to them more. In fact, I think Hawk was being asked to play a LB/DL hybird role, which he had to move quickly to get to a OL blocking and try to beat them while keeping the ILB clean.

I think Daniels might be a very good fit for that LB/DL tweener role.


If we're going to stand everyone up we might as well just run the Psycho package. The personnel we have now might have more success with it than when we tried it with Matthews and a horde of bums.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:06:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
If we're going to stand everyone up we might as well just run the Psycho package. The personnel we have now might have more success with it than when we tried it with Matthews and a horde of bums.


Of the healthy guys, I think the strength of this defense is the NTs (Pickett, Raji and Jolly) and Daniels. Packers defense is ranked 3rd best against the run... and I'm assuming part of the reason the Broncos are #1 is because teams stop running as much trying to keep up with the Broncos offense.

But I don't think they could get all the NTs on the field AND playing well in the Psycho package.


I think it'd be best to stay with in the system that's already in place, other than maybe try to get OLB some more depth there maybe by letting them using Datone Jones some and asking other DL to step up for Jones at push DT in the nickel package. Maybe get Raji, Jolly, Daniels, Wilson more snaps in the pass rush DT role if the can handle it with out dropping off what they were already doing.

I wouldn't count on it, but Boyd might even be active for his first game of the season (because of so many injuries)

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#9 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 11:57:57 AM(UTC)
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Daniels has been our only pass rush from the D-line all year. Why on earth would anybody want to make in a LB?
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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:18:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Daniels has been our only pass rush from the D-line all year. Why on earth would anybody want to make in a LB?


1: He can get to the QB.

2: He's undersized for our DL.

3: The DL in our system is supposed to take up blockers, to allow the LBs to get to the QB.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:26:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Daniels has been our only pass rush from the D-line all year. Why on earth would anybody want to make in a LB?


I agree. Daniels has played extremely well on the DL. I don't see that bulk transferring to LB. Not at all. As for Datone Jones, I am really looking forward to him getting off the schneid and making a big impact as a pass rusher. Pile up some sacks. Force some turnovers. he did make that really nice fumble recovery last week to help add the FG before the half.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:57:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
1: He can get to the QB.

2: He's undersized for our DL.

3: The DL in our system is supposed to take up blockers, to allow the LBs to get to the QB.


1. No shit that's his role on the DL

2. He's not the right size for an OLB either. Plus he's been just as beastly at stopping run plays so I don't see how his size is relevant at all.

3. The nickle DL in our system is supposed to get to the QB and he's the only one whose been able to do it.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:27:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I agree. Daniels has played extremely well on the DL. I don't see that bulk transferring to LB. Not at all. As for Datone Jones, I am really looking forward to him getting off the schneid and making a big impact as a pass rusher. Pile up some sacks. Force some turnovers. he did make that really nice fumble recovery last week to help add the FG before the half.


Regarding Datone, that's what I'm waiting for and IMHO the more snaps he gets the better he is going to be.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:06:54 PM(UTC)
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This isn't Madden. You can't just take players and have them all of a sudden play a completely different position. It's hard enough to successfully change a player's with an entire offseason, and you expect it to work out with three days of practice?
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#15 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:32:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Of the healthy guys, I think the strength of this defense is the NTs (Pickett, Raji and Jolly) and Daniels. Packers defense is ranked 3rd best against the run... and I'm assuming part of the reason the Broncos are #1 is because teams stop running as much trying to keep up with the Broncos offense.

But I don't think they could get all the NTs on the field AND playing well in the Psycho package.


I think it'd be best to stay with in the system that's already in place, other than maybe try to get OLB some more depth there maybe by letting them using Datone Jones some and asking other DL to step up for Jones at push DT in the nickel package. Maybe get Raji, Jolly, Daniels, Wilson more snaps in the pass rush DT role if the can handle it with out dropping off what they were already doing.

I wouldn't count on it, but Boyd might even be active for his first game of the season (because of so many injuries)



I don't disagree. My comment was mostly tongue in cheek based on every name thrown into the pool for alternative options at OLB. If we had everyone healthy I wouldn't mind seeing us try the psycho package once or twice; but everyone healthy isn't a luxury the Packers have claimed in years.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:04:39 PM(UTC)
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This isn't Madden. You can't just take players and have them all of a sudden play a completely different position. It's hard enough to successfully change a player's with an entire offseason, and you expect it to work out with three days of practice?


It's football dude.

Ain't rocket science.
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#17 Posted : Friday, October 18, 2013 3:54:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It's football dude.

Ain't rocket science.


True. Daniels should be right where he is, but using Datone as OLB in some packages seems like a great idea. If Neal is good that way - and he seems to be, then D. Jones should be even better - bigger/faster/more athletic.

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#18 Posted : Friday, October 18, 2013 10:21:50 AM(UTC)
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His role will have to increase for this game considering the injuries. Put the best guys on the field for the situation.
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#19 Posted : Friday, October 18, 2013 1:10:04 PM(UTC)
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I've seen Datone stand up a couple times against the Ravens.

As for Daniels. I think his height Is misleading, the guy is a big dude, that size gives him some advantage as well. The lower leverage wins everytime, he's got the advantage.
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#20 Posted : Friday, October 18, 2013 1:39:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I've seen Datone stand up a couple times against the Ravens.

As for Daniels. I think his height Is misleading, the guy is a big dude, that size gives him some advantage as well. The lower leverage wins everytime, he's got the advantage.


exactly, I don't see how a player can be "undersized" when his size hasn't been a limiting factor in his performance.
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#21 Posted : Friday, October 18, 2013 1:54:26 PM(UTC)
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Jones probably will see more action just for the fact that Mike Neal wasn't playing exclusively at OLB.


I see no sense in moving trying to move any of the current D-linemen to lb, now Dom might draw up a couple of packages where the lineman drop into coverage(ala Raji against Chicago).

With Weeden playing qb, a little confusion is all The Packers need to create a little chaos and hopefully a turnover or 2.

I fully expect to see Mulumba and Palmer starting this week, and hopefully they rise to the occasion.

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#22 Posted : Friday, October 18, 2013 3:16:48 PM(UTC)
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I'm doubting it's going to happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing a 4-2 with this DL.

Neal, Raji, Daniels and Datone Jones

Of course the Packers would run it out of their 2-4 (which is the same thing as a 4-2, other than Neal and Jones don't have their hand in the dirt, which they both have done before).


With maybe Jolly or Wilson rotating in and out for Raji and Daniels.

With the rookie OLB rotating in and out for Neal and Jones.
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