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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 8:32:41 PM(UTC)
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The term "shutdown corner" is sometimes thrown around too often, and perhaps should only be applied to those who truly put big fat goose eggs in the receivers' stat lines.

But that title is one Green Bay Packers Tramon Williams may be deserving for his performance in the last three of four consecutive victories.

"As a matter of fact, I didn't give up any (catches) the last three games," said Williams with pride on "Packers Live," which airs on TODAY'S TMJ4 and NBC26.
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 9:57:21 PM(UTC)
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:46:26 AM(UTC)
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for realz?


its on the internet it must be real.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:10:54 AM(UTC)
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I think shutdown corner more refers to guys who can shut down good players. Tramon has been much better this year than the past 2 but he's also had a significant amount of his old responsibilities taken away from him. I've been way more impressed with Shields/House this year than Tramon but it has been nice that he's playing better this year.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:20:52 AM(UTC)
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Prefer Shields in the slot against the burners, but on the edge Tramon has rounded back into form. He is a great corner.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:36:27 AM(UTC)
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Tramon has been worthy of the title "shutdown corner" for a long time. This year, Shields pretty much qualifies also. I don't think Shields should cover the slot receiver, though. Speed is more of a requirement on the outside. Hayward, if healthy, should cover the slot.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:57:36 AM(UTC)
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We managed no pics against noodle arm so no shutdown corner title for you!!!
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:58:44 AM(UTC)
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I like how he came in as an UDFA, gets into a role as second CB with a lot of freedom to jump passes and roam a bit, then has a bit of a down year when Woodson degresses and leaves and now comes back and shuts down legitimate nr. 1 guys.

It's selfless in a way that this kind of play is a whole lot less interesting for your stat sheet.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:53:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
I like how he came in as an UDFA, gets into a role as second CB with a lot of freedom to jump passes and roam a bit, then has a bit of a down year when Woodson degresses and leaves and now comes back and shuts down legitimate nr. 1 guys.

It's selfless in a way that this kind of play is a whole lot less interesting for your stat sheet.


What number 1 ghys are you referring to? Shields shutdown AJ Green . And last week he whiffed on 2 easy tackles. So I ask again who did he shutdown?

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:15:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
What number 1 ghys are you referring to? Shields shutdown AJ Green . And last week he whiffed on 2 easy tackles. So I ask again who did he shutdown?



Same old Dhazer, I see. Love your hostility. Laughing

I have to be completely honest, I haven't seen every game, so I thought he was on Torrey Smith and Josh Gordon, as well, but going back and rewatchting a couple of plays in those games... It's all Shields. He's the real unsung hero here. At least, from what I could see from just a couple of plays and my less-than-stellar memory.

If anything, Williams is playing Woodson's old role, playing in the slot, blitzing, playing robber. I way way off on that one.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:06:55 PM(UTC)
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:43:55 PM(UTC)
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Shields may very well have passed up Tramon, but it ain't because Tramon got worse. It's because Shields got better. Add Hayward to that, and House and Hyde too ........ as they say, you can never have too many good corners.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:42:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Shields may very well have passed up Tramon, but it ain't because Tramon got worse. It's because Shields got better. Add Hayward to that, and House and Hyde too ........ as they say, you can never have too many good corners.


Tramon had that nasty nerve damage in his arm during his peak physical years.

He's coming back from that now, but he's also older.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:08:32 PM(UTC)
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Tramon Williams 2013 Penalties

Didn't know he had that many penalties so far this season. Even if one or two have been bogus, a player that has a reputation of penalties doesn't help in crunch time with shaky refs.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:14:06 PM(UTC)
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How in the hell are we going to keep these 5 corners signed? And when does Jarrett Bush quit occupying a roster spot? Buckeye doesn't get to answer.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:19:26 PM(UTC)
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How in the hell are we going to keep these 5 corners signed?


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#17 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 8:45:18 AM(UTC)
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How in the hell are we going to keep these 5 corners signed? And when does Jarrett Bush quit occupying a roster spot? Buckeye doesn't get to answer.


We say good bye to Williams, I don't think he is worth the 9.5 million he would get paid next year.

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#18 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 8:59:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
How in the hell are we going to keep these 5 corners signed? And when does Jarrett Bush quit occupying a roster spot? Buckeye doesn't get to answer.


Keep in mind that Jarrett Bush occupying a roster spot is keeping Davon House on the field on defense. House got pulled from the 2nd half of a game because he was getting gassed by being the ST Gunner.
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#19 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 9:14:41 AM(UTC)
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A non-statsheet stat that I think says a lot about how shutdown a corner is, has to do with how many snaps of coverage per reception given up. According to PFF, here are the top five in that category.

Verner - 21.1
Revis - 18.8
Talib - 17.7
Tramon - 17.1
Marcus Cooper - 16.9

Now when Tramon does give up a reception, it does not look pretty in terms of YAC compared to those other four. But there is a reason the five of them have been each targeted 33 or less times. Shutdown.... Corner.
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#20 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 10:15:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tezzy Go to Quoted Post
A non-statsheet stat that I think says a lot about how shutdown a corner is, has to do with how many snaps of coverage per reception given up. According to PFF, here are the top five in that category.

Verner - 21.1
Revis - 18.8
Talib - 17.7
Tramon - 17.1
Marcus Cooper - 16.9

Now when Tramon does give up a reception, it does not look pretty in terms of YAC compared to those other four. But there is a reason the five of them have been each targeted 33 or less times. Shutdown.... Corner.


The only flaw in that how many of these guys play against the #1 wr on the other team. Tramon gets the #2 or #3 wr
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#21 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:10:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
The only flaw in that how many of these guys play against the #1 wr on the other team. Tramon gets the #2 or #3 wr


He has for the past couple weeks. lol
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#22 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 12:37:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
The only flaw in that how many of these guys play against the #1 wr on the other team. Tramon gets the #2 or #3 wr


I don't think it's a "flaw" in the stats, but just yet another example of how stats do not always tell the whole story. Tramon can only cover who his coaches make him cover, just like a team can only play the teams on their schedule. Moreover, corner backs covering the #1 WR almost always have help from a safety, as well, which can always skew things a bit.

And just because Sam Shields may be playing better than Tramon Williams does not in any way mean Tramon isn't playing very well. It just means Shields is playing even better.

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#23 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 1:15:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Shields may very well have passed up Tramon, but it ain't because Tramon got worse. It's because Shields got better. Add Hayward to that, and House and Hyde too ........ as they say, you can never have too many good corners.


I have to disagree with that...

Tramon clearly got worse with his shoulder injury, but has slowly been improving since, but again pretty slowly.

And Shields was good before, but wasn't consistant, he started to become consistantly good last season and has kept it going into this season.

Though I think they're going to have to ask Williams to take a pay reduction, because his contract number is pretty big espeically since Shields seems to be covering #1 guy more often and he's a FA, take some of Williams money and resign Shields.

If Williams says no then maybe think about asking Hayward, House and Hyde to step it up and draft another CB.

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#24 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 1:23:43 PM(UTC)
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He has for the past couple weeks. lol


Are you saying williams has gotten the #1 guys the past couple of weeks or the he's gotten the #2 and #3 the last couple of weeks?


Week 5: Both Lions starting WRs were out.

Week 6: Torrey Smith, I think Shields had him. (speed vs speed)

Week 7: Josh Gordon, speed vs speed again with Shields. The QB didn't seem to be playing well.

Week 8: The article says Williams had Jennings, but the QB didn't seem to be playing well.

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#25 Posted : Friday, November 1, 2013 2:31:27 PM(UTC)
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I'm on my cell in the woods deer hunting but to me ever sin e the shoulder injury Williams is afraid to tackle anyone. That is not the 9.5 million he would get next year. I can't surf for stats but Williams best year was 2010 and he only had 6 hints. Williams is over rated in my eyes and I think Haywardcan do the job plus the guy likes to hit.




I also want to add the last shut down corner was Revis the stats can lie and teams will just throw to the other we because that cab isn't as good
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