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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 3, 2013 6:44:11 AM(UTC)
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Having spent much of the week researching the long career of No. 2 quarterback Seneca Wallace, the guess here is that even if the Packers were to lose Aaron Rodgers early Monday night against the Chicago Bears they’d find ways to finish 11-5.


McGinn points to all the players GB has lost due to injury over the past 4 years and still won so they could do it if Rodgers went down for the rest of the season. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAD AARON FOR MOST OF THOSE GAMES BOB. They may stumble along and win against weaker teams because of their defense but they will be a shell of their former self with all the injuries they have already had this year AND losing Aaron they would not be a competitive team.
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FACT. This team won most of it's Superbowls WITHOUT Aaron Rodgers.

Seneca is a career journeyman. But as McGinn points out, he's 11-10 against the spread, which controls for the shittiness of your team.

We've got enough weapons around him that we could still win. I know I always use this example, but it's true. Remember how everyone was wailing and giving up when Barclay got his first start last year? Well it turned out Barclay could get it done.

Keep in mind, we've also got that running game now. Seneca can turn and hand the ball to Eddie Lacy. Not a problem.

If anything, the offense would have to be scaled down, like it has been with all these receivers out. As we have seen, that forces Mike to adhere to FUNDAMENTALS. For example, instead of trying to score fast, so as to rack up as many stats as possible, they're cultivating time of possession. This keeps the defense fresh, wears down the OTHER defense (as we saw against the Queens) and has the added side benefit of preventing the other team from running nearly as many plays on offense.

Seneca's not gonna be passing up open guys, looking for the deep routes to get open. He's gonna be getting the ball out in 2.5.

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#3 Posted : Sunday, November 3, 2013 7:07:37 AM(UTC)
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Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

The Packers O Line just doesn't give a QB much time to throw. Maybe Wallace could run for his life and throw on the run, but not anything like Aaron Rodgers. Also, Rodgers is disciplined way beyond anything I've seen from any other QB in terms of not making ill-advised throws. Maybe Wallace is a little bit that way too, but NOBODY is like Aaron Rodgers.

As for a running game, whenever the D of the other team knows it's coming, our line just can't seem to open any holes. Lacy is better than anything we have had in a long time, but he can't make something out of nothing like Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders or O.J. or Jim Brown or Gayle Sayers (I see a little bit of that in the Badgers Gordon - but that's a different topic).

Without Rodgers, we would be sunk against any decent team. Probably the Bears still qualify as that.
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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Anything is possible, but I doubt it.

The Packers O Line just doesn't give a QB much time to throw. Maybe Wallace could run for his life and throw on the run, but not anything like Aaron Rodgers. Also, Rodgers is disciplined way beyond anything I've seen from any other QB in terms of not making ill-advised throws. Maybe Wallace is a little bit that way too, but NOBODY is like Aaron Rodgers.

As for a running game, whenever the D of the other team knows it's coming, our line just can't seem to open any holes. Lacy is better than anything we have had in a long time, but he can't make something out of nothing like Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders or O.J. or Jim Brown or Gayle Sayers (I see a little bit of that in the Badgers Gordon - but that's a different topic).

Without Rodgers, we would be sunk against any decent team. Probably the Bears still qualify as that.


Bullshit.

Aaron doesn't make ill advised throws? Really? He won't throw a Hail Mary at the end of the half, because he's afraid of having an INT on his stat sheet. That's true. But did you see those TDs to Jordy last week? Dude wasn't open. Aaron zinged it right past the CB's helmet.

And yeah Seneca is a running QB. So much so, that he's actually played WR in the NFL. But he's also not gonna be holding the ball for 8.5.

As for Eddie Lacy, he's made something out of nothing many times. I still think Franklin is better at that. He's a little shiftier, he's just being taught a lesson about ball security.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 3, 2013 7:41:24 AM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
FACT. This team won most of it's Superbowls WITHOUT Aaron Rodgers.

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Totally and completely FALSE.
THIS team has won nothing with or without Rodgers when it comes to Superbowls. THIS team has not even made it to the playoffs yet. You can not look at 1960's and say because they won without Aaron the current team can win. The guys who played back then are too old now.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:07:32 AM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Bullsh!t.

Aaron doesn't make ill advised throws? Really? He won't throw a Hail Mary at the end of the half, because he's afraid of having an INT on his stat sheet. That's true. But did you see those TDs to Jordy last week? Dude wasn't open. Aaron zinged it right past the CB's helmet.

And yeah Seneca is a running QB. So much so, that he's actually played WR in the NFL. But he's also not gonna be holding the ball for 8.5.

As for Eddie Lacy, he's made something out of nothing many times. I still think Franklin is better at that. He's a little shiftier, he's just being taught a lesson about ball security.


I didn't say Rodgers is a machine that NEVER puts it up for grabs or whatever (those throws to Nelson certainly weren't an example of THAT).

As for Wallace running, I would rather have had Vince Young. Undoubtedly Wallace could escape and throw it sometimes, maybe even occasionally complete. The point is, our O Line, sadly, makes that necessary way too often. The point also is, NOBODY does it quite like Aaron Rodgers - not even close.

I like Lacy a lot - Franklin not so much, but without a great threat of a pass to set them up, the O Line just doesn't give them a chance - and that get hit in the backfield, bounce off 2 or 3 times, change direction and be off to the races thing just doesn't happen for either Lacy or Franklin like it does for those other guys I mentioned.

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Never understood what people see in McGinn. IMO he's just another hack reporter/pseudo-journalist. But that's me bias.

I do know I don't like tempting fate this way. Rodgers better not go down. Just because the Packers can whip a hapless team like the Vikings doesn't make them a juggernaut without their all-world QB.

Rodgers goes down for any length of time and this team isn't going to be a one-and-done wild card team.







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#8 Posted : Sunday, November 3, 2013 8:41:05 AM(UTC)
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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Never understood what people see in McGinn. IMO he's just another hack reporter/pseudo-journalist. But that's me bias.

I do know I don't like tempting fate this way. Rodgers better not go down. Just because the Packers can whip a hapless team like the Vikings doesn't make them a juggernaut without their all-world QB.

Rodgers goes down for any length of time and this team isn't going to be a one-and-done wild card team.




I don't thin a screwball journalist wannabe can jinx a team or player. Otherwise every hack in the land would be writing/raving about the opposition's key player hoping to cause some sort of calamity. SI not withstanding.


Speaking of which- A few weeks ago they had the The Atlanta Braves' Upton brothers doing cheesecake pix with Kate Upton. One of the pix was the front cover. A reader wrote a letter to the editor telling them if Kate is injured and misses out on this year's photo shoots he will cancel his subscription to SI. I almost choked.
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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I didn't say Rodgers is a machine that NEVER puts it up for grabs or whatever (those throws to Nelson certainly weren't an example of THAT).

As for Wallace running, I would rather have had Vince Young. Undoubtedly Wallace could escape and throw it sometimes, maybe even occasionally complete. The point is, our O Line, sadly, makes that necessary way too often. The point also is, NOBODY does it quite like Aaron Rodgers - not even close.

I like Lacy a lot - Franklin not so much, but without a great threat of a pass to set them up, the O Line just doesn't give them a chance - and that get hit in the backfield, bounce off 2 or 3 times, change direction and be off to the races thing just doesn't happen for either Lacy or Franklin like it does for those other guys I mentioned.



Wallace is a pro's pro. Young is a headcase. The Randy Moss of QBs.

That said, they could bring him back in the offseason. Who knows how he'd look if he actually learned the offense. Wallace has a strong background in WCO (which is what he would be running, unlike Aaron's Run and Shoot.)

I hope to hell Aaron never goes down, but if he did I'd still tune in and watch, and I wouldn't even be shitting myself.
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Totally and completely FALSE.
THIS team has won nothing with or without Rodgers when it comes to Superbowls. THIS team has not even made it to the playoffs yet. You can not look at 1960's and say because they won without Aaron the current team can win. The guys who played back then are too old now.


This makes absolutely no sense, and Texas liking it proves the theorem. I know you guys are old, but Alzheimer's already?
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