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Offline wpr  
#21 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:35:58 AM(UTC)
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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Seems like I've been applauding you a lot lately.

You must have borrowed that past results/future success line from mutual funds disclaimers hahahaha.

I could learn to like Seneca Wallace real quick if he ever had to get on the field and did a decent job.

My Point in this whole thing is that the PROBLEM is Packer weakness in the O Line, as well as RB until this season, and to a great extent, our D also. Aaron Rodgers is like an addiction. He is so damn good that we have been able to win big time even with all those other weaknesses. Losing him would be like getting off of whatever meds somebody is taking - suddenly all those aches and pains and weaknesses would really come to the surface and we'd be in a world of hurt.



That is because I am a reasonable man. [duh]

The mutual fund disclaimer did come to mind. I even considered going and getting one off the net but I figured I made my point with the abbreviated version.

As far as Wallace goes I don't hate him. I know he has skills and ability. Stick him out there with a fully functioning line 3 top flight WR the #1 TE and fully stocked backfield not to mention a fully functioning defense that will help get the ball for the offense and he could win a few games. Take away 1/3 of them I question his to win consistently. After all if he was really that great he would not be on his third team this year alone.
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#22 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 12:40:11 PM(UTC)
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Teams would load up against the run and then unload on Wallace. It would not be pretty especially with all the guys that are out.
Arod is a special player who is managing an undermanned receiving group brilliantly. There is no throwing someone else in there and expecting the same results.

Because of how well Arod is handling the situation defenses cannot bring more players up in the box and shut down the run. His timing and accuracy is second to none but teams would alter their plan the very next play he isn't on the field.

There are some lousy teams out there and I suspect the Pack could limp into the playoffs but does anyone think there is an NFC playoff team we could beat without Arod?

Rodgers is getting the ball out quicker with superb pre-snap recognition. This takes ability, experience, confidence, and whatever else it takes. I highly doubt a guy sitting over on the sidelines not having seen a real game all year could come close to moving the team like Aaron Rodgers has.
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Offline nerdmann  
#23 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 1:36:34 PM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Historical fact: past results are never the basis for future success.

I am not saying the Wallace could never win games. I am saying it is very unlikely to have Super Bowl success with him in charge. Look at all the WCO teams that have not won the SB year in and year out. Some pretty skillful QBs have come up short. They have to have talent around them in order to succeed. Aaron has succeeded in the absence of a lot of talent. Wallace would most likely not. Why it is not because the WCO is a failure (and GB doesn't run a true WCO by the way.) it is because he is not talented enough and with all the injuries the team's talent level has dropped. Don't look at the success GB has had Rodgers at the helm and assume it will be exactly the same without him. Boykin and White will not look as good. Even Jones when he comes back and Jordy will see their numbers drop. All you have to do is look at Jennings in MN to know it is so.


You're contradicting yourself.

We can take Seneca Wallace's past record and apply it to the future, but not take the historical records of teams in general? Remember, Wallace has been on some shit sucking teams. Take his record against the spread as a better indicator than his pure win/loss record.

And remember, in the playoffs, we'll have alot of these guys back. James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jermicheal Finley.

And no, the Packers DON'T run a pure WCO. They run a run and shoot vertical offense. WITH RODGERS. That's my point. We see what they're being forced to do now, with all these guys injured: adhere to fundamentals.

That's what they'd be doing with Seneca. They'd be helping him out with high percentage plays. They wouldn't be expecting him to hold the ball 8 seconds and take shots down the field.
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#24 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 3:52:58 PM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Of course nerd meant the Packers organization as a whole which is a little silly. It doesn't matter what any other team did. Not even 2012 team which had so many of the current players on it. The team can only deal with the next game on their schedule not look backwards t years gone by in order to predict future victories.



Yeah, I know I was just trying to be diplomatic.

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Offline nyrpack  
#25 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 4:21:07 PM(UTC)
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who ever believes this threads title is clearly dilusional !!
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#26 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 4:36:55 PM(UTC)
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It's a team sport, bitches! lol
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#27 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 5:41:32 PM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
You're contradicting yourself.

We can take Seneca Wallace's past record and apply it to the future, but not take the historical records of teams in general? Remember, Wallace has been on some sh!t sucking teams. Take his record against the spread as a better indicator than his pure win/loss record.

And remember, in the playoffs, we'll have alot of these guys back. James Jones, Randall Cobb, Jermicheal Finley.

And no, the Packers DON'T run a pure WCO. They run a run and shoot vertical offense. WITH RODGERS. That's my point. We see what they're being forced to do now, with all these guys injured: adhere to fundamentals.

That's what they'd be doing with Seneca. They'd be helping him out with high percentage plays. They wouldn't be expecting him to hold the ball 8 seconds and take shots down the field.


Nerd it is not the same thing so I am not contradicting myself. I am saying it doesn't matter if Bart & co won two games. They are too old and can't help the team. GB could have won 50 championships in the past and if none of the players are on this team it doesn't mean squat.

All that matters is can this team, the current 2013 team, win without Aaron. And by win I don't mean 1 or 2 games in the regular season. I mean the championship. The answer is no. The current team doesn't have a number of key players. Some of them may come back. Some of them won't. Do you know how good they will be? Of course not.

On the other hand what Wallace did in the past does matter. He showed that he can not win when he didn't have an abundance of supporting help. The spread is what doesn't matter. It don't mean anything if a bunch of gamblers thought his team would lose by 20 and they only lost by 18. His 81% QB rating does matter. As I already said he is not a terrible QB. But to win he would need everyone. And everyone healthy.

In the long run none of this matters. Aaron is not going down.
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#28 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 7:45:06 PM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post

In the long run none of this matters. Aaron is not going down.


Just Ow. I hated to see this topic in the first place - I belong to the school of the unmentionable (it's a superstition). You never talk about a no-hitter until it's done. You never talk about a shutout until there are no goals scored. AND you sure as fark never talk about a possible injury situation that hasn't happened until it hasn't happened.

What a sad sinking feeling today. I am not sure Seneca Wallace is a long-term answer. Matt Flynn is available again, assuming losing his job 3 times in the last 14 months hasn't ruined his head. Just watching this year go down the crapper is painful.
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#29 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 8:18:55 PM(UTC)
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The writer of this article should be shot.
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#30 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:44:33 PM(UTC)
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This thread needs to go to hell
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