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#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:52:59 AM(UTC)
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Good to hear somebody beside me saying we shoulda kept Vince Young instead of Seneca Wallace. Bayliss even went on to include Coleman and Harrell as better choices.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:55:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Good to hear somebody beside me saying we shoulda kept Vince Young instead of Seneca Wallace. Bayliss even went on to include Coleman and Harrell as better choices.


Skip Bayless is known for being an idiot, still wanna be grouped with him?
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:02:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MintBaconDrivel Go to Quoted Post
Skip Bayless is known for being an idiot, still wanna be grouped with him?


Known by who? I occasionally watch him, and he is no less idiotic than most of the media talking heads - better than most.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:24:25 AM(UTC)
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Skip Bayless is a real piece of shit. The only reason he has a job is to get folks riled up and he does a good job of it.

Skip Bayless has always been anti-Rodgers. His opinion is worthless to me when it comes to anything Packers.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:35:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
Skip Bayless. The only reason he has a job is to get folks riled up and he does a good job of it.


This is pretty accurate... and it shocks me not that some of America enjoys his schpeel.

I wish at least ESPN would send him to a decent theatrical institution... it might make it less obvious the he just wants to spew hot air, hear himself do that spewing and an cause a faux controversy.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:36:07 AM(UTC)
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Texas, I'm beginning to think you suffered a concussion during your spearing "tests." You should maybe go see a doctor. Citing these two to support your position Duh!

Skip is the same dipshit that tried to argue Rodgers is not a good leader because he does commercials; all while citing Brees, Brady and Manning as the best leaders at the position...

Steven A failed to call Bayliss out on this.

They're paid trolls.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 1:54:17 PM(UTC)
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Skip Bayless said the decision to go with Aaron Rodgers would cost McCarthy and Ted Thompson their jobs and he also said the contract Ted Thompson gave Rodgers in 2008 was a big mistake (turned out to be the biggest contract steal in the league). I wouldn't trust him on anything that has to do with Packers QBs.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 2:20:04 PM(UTC)
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I suppose I could be wrong - it's happened maybe 3 or 4 times now in my 66 years. I don't watch Bayliss very much. I was not aware of that anti-Rodgers stuff. Mostly he made good sense the times I watched him. Today, he didn't have anything negative to say about Rodgers, just about Wallace, and both he and Steven A seemed to take it as a given that we shoulda kept Vince Young over Wallace. THAT seems dead obvious.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 2:44:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I suppose I could be wrong - it's happened maybe 3 or 4 times now in my 66 years. I don't watch Bayliss very much. I was not aware of that anti-Rodgers stuff. Mostly he made good sense the times I watched him. Today, he didn't have anything negative to say about Rodgers, just about Wallace, and both he and Steven A seemed to take it as a given that we shoulda kept Vince Young over Wallace. THAT seems dead obvious.


They all make good sense when they are saying things you agree with. As soon as they have a contrary opinion and they become idiots and buffoons.

What gets me is how you are so certain that Vince young would have been any better than Wallace. I mean its one thing to have a strong opinion but you are acting like it was a simple as deciding between a night with Emma Watson and a sharp stick in the eye and Ted Thompson chose the stick.

And I should know, I've had a sharp stick in the eye and I have had a night with... well I have had a sharp stick in the eye. I can only imagine the other choice would be infinitely better.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:01:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
They all make good sense when they are saying things you agree with. As soon as they have a contrary opinion and they become idiots and buffoons.

What gets me is how you are so certain that Vince young would have been any better than Wallace. I mean its one thing to have a strong opinion but you are acting like it was a simple as deciding between a night with Emma Watson and a sharp stick in the eye and Ted Thompson chose the stick.

And I should know, I've had a sharp stick in the eye and I have had a night with... well I have had a sharp stick in the eye. I can only imagine the other choice would be infinitely better.


Vince has the physical skills, but he's a head case.

Seneca is a pro's pro. He also has a decade of experience in similar offensive concepts and phraseaology to that which he will be utilizing here.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:08:53 PM(UTC)
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I actually think Skip said that trading Favre to the Jets was the worst move any GM has ever made in history.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 4:58:21 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers said it best. Skip is all shock value
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:07:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
They all make good sense when they are saying things you agree with. As soon as they have a contrary opinion and they become idiots and buffoons.

What gets me is how you are so certain that Vince young would have been any better than Wallace. I mean its one thing to have a strong opinion but you are acting like it was a simple as deciding between a night with Emma Watson and a sharp stick in the eye and Ted Thompson chose the stick.

And I should know, I've had a sharp stick in the eye and I have had a night with... well I have had a sharp stick in the eye. I can only imagine the other choice would be infinitely better.


You'll have to excuse me for being old, but I don't even know who Emma Watson is hahahaha.

I assume you saw the same preseason games I saw, and for sure you watched last Monday night. I rest my case.

A decent backup QB should be able to come in the game and do like Josh McCown did when Cutler went out for the Bears ....... or a helluva lot of other backup QBs before that. Vince Young's ability to run combined with the game Lacy had would have been enough to beat the Bears, and if you don't think he would have been able to throw better than Wallace, well, you're beyond help.

BTW, my wife is 28, and she doesn't know who Emma Watson is either.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:39:27 PM(UTC)
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Vince Young has a lower career passer rating than Seneca Wallace. They both last saw action in 2011 and Vince Young played a bit worse than Wallace that year and was on a more talented team.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:47:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Vince Young has a lower career passer rating than Seneca Wallace. They both last saw action in 2011 and Vince Young played a bit worse than Wallace that year and was on a more talented team.


Vince Young is something like 31-13 as a starter (compared to 6-15 for Wallace), and the Titans weren't exactly a shining example of a good team.

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#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:57:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Vince Young is something like 31-13 as a starter (compared to 6-15 for Wallace), and the Titans weren't exactly a shining example of a good team.



He won 17 games over his first 2 years playing a lot like Seneca did for us vs Chicago. The Titans couldn't have been all bad. Plus whatever happened 7 years ago doesn't change the fact that he's been such garbage lately that not a single NFL team even wants him as a 3rd stringer.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:14:49 PM(UTC)
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Vince Young is an athlete with limited intelligence. The reason he hasn't made it in the NFL is not a physical thing, it is that he cannot learn a complicated offense.

Now, Seneca Wallace has spent most of his career in a WCO - but he is obviously out of his league right now and should be retired. Uncle Ted has now been caught with his pants down. We have been playing Russian roulette by not having a decent backup, and it is now biting us in the ass.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:15:35 PM(UTC)
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The only real gripe I have with Wallace is his height. 5'11. Other than that, lets give him time with the starters before we write him off completely.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:31:46 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, let's trot out a QB's record as a reason for why they should/should not be the QB, because, you know, there aren't 52 other players on the team. Tim Tebow has a winning record. But please, wins and losses are all on the quarterbacks. Utterly spastic.

I think there is an honest debate between who would have done better for us between Young and Wallace. That's a knock on both. There's a reason why Young doesn't have a job in the NFL despite all the quarterbacks that have dropped like flies this year. A 97 year old Brett Favre got a call before Vince Young.

I'm not even going to dignify Coleman or Harrell.

I'm willing to give Wallace a chance to be a stopgap this week, in part because there is a difference between being thrown in on a surprise injury versus preparing for the week (for everyone that clamored for Flynn to come back on this site or otherwise, no one seems to recall his abysmal performance in Detroit when Rodgers got concussed), and in part because there aren't a ton of viable options out there. Lots of teams don't have a starting quarterback, let alone a backup.

Yes that performance was disappointing. Yes we should be looking at all our options. No, we shouldn't hit the panic button and completely write off Wallace. It's Canadian football for him: he's fucked up first down, and now he gets second down or he has to punt (incidentally, probably to the CFL).

The backup this week needs to prepare himself as if he will be the starter. We need to have that contingency plan this week. It will be interesting to see how things go.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:32:35 PM(UTC)
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I stopped reading when I saw you refer to Skip Bayless' opinion being a good idea. He's the biggest idiot known to man when it comes to anything sports.
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:56:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
The only real gripe I have with Wallace is his height. 5'11. Other than that, lets give him time with the starters before we write him off completely.


He measured 6' 1" at the combine.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:59:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, let's trot out a QB's record as a reason for why they should/should not be the QB, because, you know, there aren't 52 other players on the team. Tim Tebow has a winning record. But please, wins and losses are all on the quarterbacks. Utterly spastic.

I think there is an honest debate between who would have done better for us between Young and Wallace. That's a knock on both. There's a reason why Young doesn't have a job in the NFL despite all the quarterbacks that have dropped like flies this year. A 97 year old Brett Favre got a call before Vince Young.

I'm not even going to dignify Coleman or Harrell.

I'm willing to give Wallace a chance to be a stopgap this week, in part because there is a difference between being thrown in on a surprise injury versus preparing for the week (for everyone that clamored for Flynn to come back on this site or otherwise, no one seems to recall his abysmal performance in Detroit when Rodgers got concussed), and in part because there aren't a ton of viable options out there. Lots of teams don't have a starting quarterback, let alone a backup.

Yes that performance was disappointing. Yes we should be looking at all our options. No, we shouldn't hit the panic button and completely write off Wallace. It's Canadian football for him: he's f*cked up first down, and now he gets second down or he has to punt (incidentally, probably to the CFL).

The backup this week needs to prepare himself as if he will be the starter. We need to have that contingency plan this week. It will be interesting to see how things go.


Yeah, Seneca gets his fair shot.

If you could put Seneca's brain into Vince's body, you'd have the perfect QB.

Same thing with Harrell and Coleman. I think Seneca has a better presence out there though. He did tend to run backwards like George Plimpton a few times, but I don't think he's as intimidated by the stage as Harrell.

So we got guys with brains, lacking the physical tools and guys with tools lacking the brains. I guess the question is, which would you prefer?
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:17:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
(for everyone that clamored for Flynn to come back on this site or otherwise, no one seems to recall his abysmal performance in Detroit when Rodgers got concussed), and in part because there aren't a ton of viable options out there.


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#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:35:45 PM(UTC)
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Sorry I'm not as quick to the punch as you... by a day. Some people definitely needed this reiterated... okay, I'm actually just plagiarizing you.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:55:50 PM(UTC)
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Sorry I'm not as quick to the punch as you... by a day. Some people definitely needed this reiterated... okay, I'm actually just plagiarizing you.


I don't have to start calling you Rand Keys do I?

Just tell Zero to go get bent. He's an accolade whore, who loves his little butt kissers around here who tell him how awesome he is.
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