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Offline Mucky Tundra  
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:47:55 AM(UTC)

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JSOnline said:
Rapidly improving Mike Daniels has been rushing the passer at an almost identical rate as Cullen Jenkins did in his finest full seasons for the Packers. It has taken 2½ years, but the Packers finally appear to have replaced Jenkins with an interior rusher of comparable skill and production.


I've said it once before and I'll say it again: I'm so happy to have been wrong about this guy.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:28:24 PM(UTC)

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Fuck Cullen Jenkins.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:21:11 PM(UTC)

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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
f*ck Cullen Jenkins.


How come you dont like him so much?
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#4 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:07:16 PM(UTC)

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How come you dont like him so much?


Sick of hearing about him.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:52:05 AM(UTC)

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Sick of hearing about him.


Not his fault he's mentioned so much [grin1]



I can say I was wrong about Daniels as well. I wanted the "smaller guys" gone in the offseason. But then after awhile I thought to myself this guy isn't small, he's just short. Daniels reminds me of Cullen a lot. He's short, quick, and strong. I wish they'd use him every down, which I think they're beginning realize and do. I'd honestly rather have him on the field more than Jolly. Even though Jolly is a good run defender, Daniels actually makes more plays in his limited role. He seems to be the only one on the D-Line, except Datone Jones, to get pressure on the QB. I hope eventually the 3-4 Lineman can be Jones, Raji, and Daniels. That would be lethal if they could get pressure out of the base defense.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:57:43 AM(UTC)

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Not his fault he's mentioned so much [grin1]



I can say I was wrong about Daniels as well. I wanted the "smaller guys" gone in the offseason. But then after awhile I thought to myself this guy isn't small, he's just short. Daniels reminds me of Cullen a lot. He's short, quick, and strong. I wish they'd use him every down, which I think they're beginning realize and do. I'd honestly rather have him on the field more than Jolly. Even though Jolly is a good run defender, Daniels actually makes more plays in his limited role. He seems to be the only one on the D-Line, except Datone Jones, to get pressure on the QB. I hope eventually the 3-4 Lineman can be Jones, Raji, and Daniels. That would be lethal if they could get pressure out of the base defense.


Sometimes if you're short like that you can get leverage on your opponent. As Mike likes to say, "pad level."
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#7 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:07:10 AM(UTC)

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Daniels is a good pass rusher, no doubt. But if he played much on base downs I think he would routinely get crushed. I just don't think he could hold the point of attack very well on running plays.

I don't mind that, though. As long as a player can rush the passer, he is very valuable in today's NFL.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:05:12 PM(UTC)

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Daniels is a good pass rusher, no doubt. But if he played much on base downs I think he would routinely get crushed. I just don't think he could hold the point of attack very well on running plays.

I don't mind that, though. As long as a player can rush the passer, he is very valuable in today's NFL.



I think it depends on how you used him. If you asked Daniels to sit back and clog like you do with the NTs in base, I agree he'd probably be crushed, but if you used him in attack mode and asked him to get into the back field I think he could hold up in base just fine.

Right now though Capers current scheme ask the base to normally be NTs and clog the line.

Though when Capers had Jenkins they were a lot more aggressive in base and were aggressive with the 3-4 DEs and didn't ask them to clog but to attack.

And I think Wade Phillips scheme with the Cowboys might be interesting with this Packers team, ask the 3-4 DEs to clog (putting Pickett, Raji and Jolly there) and asking the NT to attack and get into the backfield (Daniels and Jones there).

That's why Jay Ratliff was getting so many sacks for a NT... because while at the NT spot he wasn't playing a NT role, he was asked to attack A LOT, and not clog the OL.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:44:59 PM(UTC)

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DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
Daniels is a good pass rusher, no doubt. But if he played much on base downs I think he would routinely get crushed. I just don't think he could hold the point of attack very well on running plays.

I don't mind that, though. As long as a player can rush the passer, he is very valuable in today's NFL.


He's not getting crushed on runs when he's in there though. He may mostly play passing downs but he's blown up as many runs as anybody else. Like someone else said he's not small he's just short. There are plenty of base 3-4 DEs that are smaller than 300lbs and he's definitely got the strength to handle it. He may not be as dominant holding a point vs the run as he is pass rushing but I don't see him getting crushed.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 5:34:36 PM(UTC)

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Right now though Capers current scheme ask the base to normally be NTs and clog the line.


And that's the key point. Capers is the Packers coach.

Plus, I'd prefer to have Jolly out there because I think he's better at stopping the run, holding the point of attack, and he has a little more height to knock down some passes.

Daniels is a pretty solid pass rusher, but I don't think he'd be anything more than an average full time player. I'd take a pass rusher over a "run stuffer," though, especially with Aaron Rodgers healthy.

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#11 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:00:40 PM(UTC)

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And that's the key point. Capers is the Packers coach.

Plus, I'd prefer to have Jolly out there because I think he's better at stopping the run, holding the point of attack, and he has a little more height to knock down some passes.

Daniels is a pretty solid pass rusher, but I don't think he'd be anything more than an average full time player. I'd take a pass rusher over a "run stuffer," though, especially with Aaron Rodgers healthy.



I honestly love the rotation. But sometimes when you rotate guys in there, it can bring inconsistency. Sometimes when you bring in fresh players, it's not always gonna mean they're gonna play better than the guys that get subbed out.

Raji shouldn't get 60 snaps a game, but hell they don't need to put him in there for only 1 down. They need to get a solid 4 or 5 guys and use them in their gameplan, instead of using all the players.

We know we have depth, but you don't always need to use that depth unless you absoulutely have to. Sometimes the more a player is on the field the better they play. I think that may be the case with Datone Jones.
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:08:53 AM(UTC)

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He is definitely being helped by the amount of rest he is getting. I don't think he would be effective if he played as many downs as we had Cullen playing when he was with us. Nothing wrong with being a pass rush specialist.
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 1:49:31 PM(UTC)

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He is definitely being helped by the amount of rest he is getting. I don't think he would be effective if he played as many downs as we had Cullen playing when he was with us. Nothing wrong with being a pass rush specialist.


Exactly. They are hard to find. Run stuffers like CJ Wilson are easier to find, imo.
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