Porforis
10 years ago
How much of the offense's success in the past from a playcall perspective fell on Rodgers' ability to change the play on the fly?
play2win
10 years ago

How much of the offense's success in the past from a playcall perspective fell on Rodgers' ability to change the play on the fly?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I would say quite a lot. That is why I want Flynn in there instead of Tolzien. Simply for the fact that he's had multiple years in our system, vs. multiple weeks since Sept., and that he has seen the defensive adjustments on the other side and has made adjustments accordingly.

Do I like Scott Tolzien and his arm, his demeanor? Yeah, but it seems he is just too inexperienced in both our system and the pro game in general. He has some very positive attributes that I believe can be groomed with some time. But, he was on the PS just two weeks ago. The good has been really good, but the bad has also been really bad. Huge mistakes. Pick sixes are tough to overcome, for any team, and, 5 INTs through 2 games?

Flynn backed up Rodgers for years, and has shown the ability to manage the team properly, and to make the throws. Breaking all-time team records for passing in nothing to sneeze at. Flynn gives us a better shot at winning in my opinion.

I think the bigger question is, can Mike McCarthy get his team ready to win? On all levels? That, and can he game plan to make Flynn more of a game manager, rather than the second coming of Aaron Rodgers? Make it more of a realistic game for Flynn to play and realize success in?

Who knows? They'll probably stick with Tolzien.
buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

I would say quite a lot. That is why I want Flynn in there instead of Tolzien. Simply for the fact that he's had multiple years in our system, vs. multiple weeks since Sept., and that he has seen the defensive adjustments on the other side and has made adjustments accordingly.

Do I like Scott Tolzien and his arm, his demeanor? Yeah, but it seems he is just too inexperienced in both our system and the pro game in general. He has some very positive attributes that I believe can be groomed with some time. But, he was on the PS just two weeks ago. The good has been really good, but the bad has also been really bad. Huge mistakes. Pick sixes are tough to overcome, for any team, and, 5 INTs through 2 games?

Flynn backed up Rodgers for years, and has shown the ability to manage the team properly, and to make the throws. Breaking all-time team records for passing in nothing to sneeze at. Flynn gives us a better shot at winning in my opinion.

I think the bigger question is, can Mike McCarthy get his team ready to win? On all levels? That, and can he game plan to make Flynn more of a game manager, rather than the second coming of Aaron Rodgers? Make it more of a realistic game for Flynn to play and realize success in?

Who knows? They'll probably stick with Tolzien.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I hi-lited a section of your quote, not only Tolzien, but how many other Packers should you give the same consideration to?

I am all for the draft and develop theory, but look at this year, Ted ended up with 11 drafted or undrafted rookies on the squad, and most have been thrust into major playing time due to injuries.

These rookies along with most of the 2nd year guys, are being forced to grow up fast, and are expected to perform like 4-5 year vets.

I really hope, that when next year comes around, that Ted doesn't see the need to turn 6 draft picks into 11 and we as fans will once more be talking about "all the great potential" these guys have, only to be real disappointed when they fail at times when forced into doing something they are not ready for.

Young teams are great to watch, but I think you will find, championship teams have a good number of veteran players who have learned how to grind thorugh a whole season.

That being said, I think Tolzien is going to get his 1st win as a starting NFL qb this Sunday.

Unless of course Zero is right and we have as Steven A calls him "that baaaaaaaaaaad man" back under center.

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Cheesey
10 years ago
With our lousy defense, it takes a Aaron
Rodgers to even have a chance to win.
If Rodgers can't play Sunday, I'd give Flynn
the start as he at least is expierienced.
But Mike McCarthy already said Tolzien gets the start.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
It is a lot easier to come in and play in replacement of Rodgers, when you are throwing to Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Finley. Than when you come in missing 2 of the top 5 receiving options and missing one or two starting Olineman.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
play2win
10 years ago

I hi-lited a section of your quote, not only Tolzien, but how many other Packers should you give the same consideration to?

I am all for the draft and develop theory, but look at this year, Ted ended up with 11 drafted or undrafted rookies on the squad, and most have been thrust into major playing time due to injuries.

These rookies along with most of the 2nd year guys, are being forced to grow up fast, and are expected to perform like 4-5 year vets.

I really hope, that when next year comes around, that Ted doesn't see the need to turn 6 draft picks into 11 and we as fans will once more be talking about "all the great potential" these guys have, only to be real disappointed when they fail at times when forced into doing something they are not ready for.

Young teams are great to watch, but I think you will find, championship teams have a good number of veteran players who have learned how to grind thorugh a whole season.

That being said, I think Tolzien is going to get his 1st win as a starting NFL qb this Sunday.

Unless of course Zero is right and we have as Steven A calls him "that baaaaaaaaaaad man" back under center.

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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Very different when talking about the most important position on the team. That's why I would chose Flynn. We have to win out. I'm looking ahead to DET. I would rather have Flynn get one win and some reps before heading into that Thanksgiving game. Again, 5 INTs in 2 games for Tolzien?

McCarthy feels differently, and I think that is the wrong call. I find myself trusting McCarthy less and less to make the best decisions.
dhazer
10 years ago
I am still confused on why so many say we should start Flynn, the guy couldn't even start in Buffalo when they lost their top 2 qbs. He couldn't start in Oakland or Seattle either. Hell if it is because he knows the system why not call old #4 he knows the system better than Flynn lol.



Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be πŸ™‚ (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Cheesey
10 years ago
Hazer...you ask why? Because we have seen what
Tolzien can do, and are not sure he
can win for us.
What have we to lose ?
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play2win
10 years ago

Hazer...you ask why? Because we have seen what
Tolzien can do, and are not sure he
can win for us.
What have we to lose ?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



You're right Cheesey. 5 INTs in 2 games. Those were big. If we could take 3 of those back, maybe we are 7-3 right now, instead of 5-5.

I'm not saying Flynn is good, healthy, able to make all the throws. Just that he knows the system far better than Tolzien, and has guided this Packers team to a win before. We essentially have to win out to make the playoffs. Sustaining another loss due to freakish INTs is not going to do it. We need a QB who can play a very careful game back there, with all of the chips on the line. Flynn has won a National Championship, and backed up a Super Bowl winner. I simply trust Flynn to get the job done at this point more than I do Tolzien.

I do believe both Flynn and Tolzien can win against MIN on Sunday. However, the following week v. DET might be another thing altogether. Given that, I would rather have Flynn have this MIN game to get into some kind of groove to better prepare for that Thanksgiving Day game in DET. Again, we have to win out.

This staff clearly likes Tolzien for this week better. Maybe the kid can do it. I have my doubts though after the way all of our plays were telegraphed to the NYG defense prior to the snap. They knew exactly what we were going to do. How far was Tolzien able to work in the progressions? What kind of adjustments was he able to make at the line of scrimmage? The kid has been on just the Practice Squad since Sept 2nd. Signed to the roster Nov. 6th. That was TWO WEEKS AGO! That is not a lot of time to know the system. Flynn has been an integral part of the Packers system for 4 solid years, 2008-20012, in the QB meeting room, competing for roster spots, backing up Rodgers, etc. To me, it seems like a no-brainer.
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10 years ago
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