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Offline beast  
#11 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 8:22:42 PM(UTC)
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Laser Gunns said: Go to Quoted Post
*cough*
Jarrett Bush

*cough*
Jarius Wynn

*cough*
Erik Walden

*cough*
Tony Moll

*cough*
Alan Barbre

*cough*
Graham Harrell


The staff doesn't know a lost cause when they see it.


And if you asked the fans at the time, you could of added

RT Breno Giacomini and FB Vonta Leach to this list as well, and they've gone to other teams and become play makers.

Also the Jags thought WR Boykins was a lost cause and he's turned out pretty nicely for us.

And Bush is a ST gunner ace and has made a couple plays when asked to step up for the defense.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 8:28:21 PM(UTC)
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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
WHAT do you guys see in Sean Richardson? Granted, Jennings has mostly played like shit, but it seems like Richardson misses tackles more than he should too, and on his best day, he's a liability in coverage.

The Packers do need a new safety going into next season - either a high draft pick or a mid-level free agent or maybe Hyde switched there. I would even consider moving Tramon Williams to safety - his still decent coverage ability outweighing any size deficiency.

As bad as Jennings has been, Brad Jones has been just as bad and B.J. Raji a LOT worse. Why no clamoring for Lattimore to replace Jones and Daniels or Boyd or some cheerleader to replace Raji?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, they really need to sit Richardson for the rest of the season so he doesn't get "nerve damage" to his neck - ironically, a REAL concern, unlike with Rodgers.


Who say's we're not clamoring for those other things as well? I've seen people in chat ask why is Jones playing a number of times, even more so than Jennings.

As for Raji, if others can play two gap alright when the scheme calls for it (such as Wilson) then Raji probably should be getting some bench time. But Wilson isn't rounded enough... and i'm not sure the others can play two gapp well enough. IMO, that's one of the most needed upgrades, need DL that can play two gap a lot better than Raji / better pass rush than Pickett and younger than Jolly.

And how do we know Rodgers injury is healed? They sat Richardson a LONG LONG time before letting him come back, making sure he was 100%. Just doing the same with Rodgers.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 8:36:21 PM(UTC)
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beast said: Go to Quoted Post
Who say's we're not clamoring for those other things as well? I've seen people in chat ask why is Jones playing a number of times, even more so than Jennings.

As for Raji, if others can play two gap alright when the scheme calls for it (such as Wilson) then Raji probably should be getting some bench time. But Wilson isn't rounded enough... and i'm not sure the others can play two gapp well enough. IMO, that's one of the most needed upgrades, need DL that can play two gap a lot better than Raji / better pass rush than Pickett and younger than Jolly.

And how do we know Rodgers injury is healed? They sat Richardson a LONG LONG time before letting him come back, making sure he was 100%. Just doing the same with Rodgers.


I guess I should have used that little sarcasm alert thing regarding the "nerve damage".

Raji is actually a zero gap guy - nothing but a fat cream puff. He's just plain pathetic - he can't even do a decent job of taking up space. You don't need a big slug at NT in a 3-4. Jay Ratliff the past few years for the Cowboys comes to mind, probably among others, who would be prototypes for Daniels as a MOBILE NT.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 8:39:56 PM(UTC)
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Laser Gunns said: Go to Quoted Post
*cough*
Jarrett Bush

*cough*
Jarius Wynn

*cough*
Erik Walden

*cough*
Tony Moll

*cough*
Alan Barbre

*cough*
Graham Harrell


The staff doesn't know a lost cause when they see it.


You had better get the cough checked out. The last time I looked only one of those guys was still on the roster.

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#15 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:23:03 PM(UTC)
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You don't need a big slug at NT in a 3-4. Jay Ratliff the past few years for the Cowboys comes to mind, probably among others, who would be prototypes for Daniels as a MOBILE NT.


I think I define NT differently that most... I define a NT a guy that mainly plays two gap, which is what Ryan Pickett has done for the Packers in the 3-4 defense nad 4-3. And Pat Williams used to do for the Vikings and their 4-3 and etc. Under my term of it, Ratliff wouldn't be a NT, as he was mainly a pass rusher. (sorry for the rant, but I don't like Ratliff being called a NT, and wanted to say it). But yes NT is commonly known as middle of a 3-4 D as well.


Anyways, as far as using Daniels just like Ratliff, I've talked about that before and I was very fond of the idea and a bit disspointed they haven't tried it with the NTs (two gappers) at the 3-4 DE spots.

But with Packers three NTs all being FAs, and the only young one kind of sucking, I think it might be time for the Packers to get a bit away from the two gapper and more back to an agressive defense style, like the one the Packers won the Super Bowl with.

Packers HOPEFULLY will have healthy and improved Daniels, Worthy, Datone Jones, Boyd, and two or three others... based on them the Packers would have to play a more agressive defense. I'm watching the Eagles defense and liking it.

Also as I'm watching the Eagles MLB Mychal Kendricks (5'11", 240 lb with 4.44 speed) I keep seeing Sean Richardsonran (6'2", 216 lb with 4.43 time speed)

I'm wondering in an agressive defense that ask a coverage MLB to cover guys man to man a lot, if Richardson could play that spot covering TEs and RBs and be physical enough for it. I'm not saying he is, just wondering "what if" so to speek.

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
WHAT do you guys see in Sean Richardson?


Do you have a reading problem or something? I know I have answered this and yet you continue pound this repeatedly as if Richardson is garbage. Here, I'll repeat what I and others have said again. Please pay attention this time.

Sean Richardson is bigger and faster than the other Safeties. Richardson is a SURE tackler. Richardson always seems to be around the ball and is getting involved on each play. Richardson today had two tackles for a loss.

Adding to what else we "see" ... its more of what we DO NOT SEE, which is Richardson screwing up multiple times a game resulting in big plays for the enemy.


THAT IS WHAT WE FOOKING SEE!!
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You had better get the cough checked out. The last time I looked only one of those guys was still on the roster.



I think the poster's coughing was to emphasize that each of those players was on the roster too long.



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I don't understand why Jennings is still starting. I'm not convinced that Richardson is the answer. I'm not convinced the answer is on the Packers team right now. But I do think they ought to be giving Richardson the reps; he hasn't been back long enough yet to give up on him.

I have no idea why Brad Jones is still starting, and why he doesn't lose more reps to Lattimore. Lattimore may not be the answer. But how anyone can think Jones is the answer is beyond me.

I have no absolutely no clue why Raji is still starting. I'm not convinced that the answer is on the Packers team right now, but people who have played better than Raji are on the team. I don't know what defensive lineman currently on the team who hasn't played better than Raji. I wouldn't have Raji on the field except on plays that are really obvious passing plays (3rd and 20, say).

The real problem, of course, isn't Jennings or Jones or even Raji. It's the fact that the Packers right now are giving reps to all three at the same time. Any team will have a weak link they need to compensate for. But how do you compensate for three weak links? You can't. You can only hope that you play against offenses that have too many weak links of their own.

The kind of offenses that playoff teams rarely have.



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He's a good run defender, but that TD he gave up was pretty bad. Seems like he just froze a bit. If he cleans up his coverage I think he could be legit.


There was really little he could do on that play. It is an option route for the receiver, if he is given room at the front of the end zone, he sets up as he did. If the DB plays the goal line, the receiver continues past for a throw into the back of the endzone.
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The problem in my opinion is both Safety positions. I do think Sean Richardson is an upgrade over MD Jennings. No question, although, I would like to see more from him in coverage, being more on the ball and making more plays. The sample we've seen from Richardson is quite small. I'd like to see him with more PDs and a couple of INTs. Seems a willing, sound open field tackler though.

The bigger problem seems to be Morgan Burnett. He may be as big of a problem for this D as is MD Jennings. His confidence seems to be waning significantly, and he is not making the plays we have been expecting him to make. He is the guy we've been looking to add to, but now he seems to be performing at a much lower level, adding to the chaos we've seen in our secondary. Big whiffs on open field tackles, and zero INTs. That is just not getting the job done. I'm hoping he turns this around. We will need better play from him if we hope to make the playoffs, and to advance if we get there.

If I were Ted this offseason, I would add two safeties to try to get this situation rectified.
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