rabidgopher04
10 years ago

Predictable play calling is a bit different. The more predictable you are the less likelihood the play will succeed and I can see that in Mike McCarthy a quite a bit. The thing is, if you have the talent being predictable is not always bad.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Wasn't it Lombardi or some other Packers guy in the 60's that said that everyone knew when the Green Bay sweep was coming or what the play was going to be, but that they key is in the execution?


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musccy
10 years ago

Someone would still have to lose even if they showed up for a full 60 minutes As for 😄

As for what makes a bad play call most of the time its whether the play works or not. A first down run for no gain is a bad call and predictable. A first down run that gains 6 yards is a good call. A second down run that gets stuffed for a 3 yard loss is a bad call and predictable. A second down run that gains 4 yards and a first down is a good call. A third and 1 pass that gets a TD is a good call that mixes things up a third and 1 pass that is intercepted is a bad call and abandoning the run.

Obviously there is a little more to it than that but what it really comes down to is execution on the field by the players and perception off the field by the fans. Yes, there are times when a particular play may not have been the best one to call but it still comes down to whether or not it works. No coach will call plays he doesn't think will work.

Predictable play calling is a bit different. The more predictable you are the less likelihood the play will succeed and I can see that in Mike McCarthy a quite a bit. The thing is, if you have the talent being predictable is not always bad.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



The Packers are the ONLY team that doesn't play a full 60 minutes, though :)

I'm pretty sure we're on the same page here so I'm just adding to, rather than refuting your points.

Rodgers audibles at the line, which makes it even tougher for us to know and thus critique what M.M. called. Furthermore, what is "predictable." In the most simplistic sense there's a 50-50 guess of what you'll do (run v. pass) but there is a lot more to a play than that - the routes you run, which side you run to, how you line up against the defense, I could go on, but you get my point.

As for your final point, didn't Lombardi once say that you should be able to tell the defense what play you're going to run and still gain at least 3 yards each time?
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

Never has his team ready to play. Constant lulls. They never show up for a full 60.

Abandons the run. Stat whores with Aaron. More concerned about using "multiple formations and personnel groupings to confuse defenses" than he is with calling plays. Excruciatingly predictable play calling. Low percentage plays.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



McCarthy 1, nerdmann 0.


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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
I've had problems with McCarthy for a while. I have hated the offensive blocking scheme since he came here. This year I have actually seen him change from the outside zone to more inside zone blocking and with Lacy that seems to have helped. I think his 3rd down play calling as been terrible. I don't mind passing on third and short as long as they line up and threaten the Dline and LBers. They should NEVER be 5 wide and NEVER be in shotgun. Put Rodgers under center and you have the threat of QB sneak, have a RB in the backfield and the defense must at least pay attention for a run.

And what has become my biggest dislike of McCarthy is it seems like the passing offense has turned to either WR screen, or a sideline route either backshoulder. or run the WR 10-15 yards and then scramble drill.

We have all but given up the slant off the LOS like Favre did so well with so many WR. Now if we run a slant it is 3 yards upfield than slant. And that I think is because of being in the gun and the snap taking longer. So we never have a chance for a slant and go. And we very seldom screen.

He has turned the team into a dome team that plays in the elements.




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Yerko
10 years ago

Abandons the run.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The Packers ran the ball 31 times against a 49ers run defense, missing one of their better CBs...I know you are speaking in terms of the entire season but even then, he didn't really abandon the run.

He called three straight running plays to open the game against the 49ers and it failed miserably. Or is that because he is predictable and the 49ers knew he was going to call three straight run plays with Aaron Rodgers at QB?
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10 years ago
If you take a quick look around the forum, you will see threads about how the Packers have been one of the most injured teams the last few years and threads calling for dom capers to be fired. Injuries and a bad defense? Tough to win with one of those never mind both of them. Somehow he always has this team right in the mix at the end of the year.
Mike McCarthy isn't perfect but hes a very good coach. Not to mention he dominates the NFC North [boxing]
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mi_keys
10 years ago

McCarthy 1, nerdmann 0.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You'd think with his constant statwhoring the score would be a bit more lopsided...
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago
McCarthy has been relatively lucky in having a healthy QB and Receivers. This year is the first where he really had to face adversity on the offense. And I don't think he did a good job of changing the offense to match the skill of the players available. It took getting Flynn so he could again call plays about the same as he does for Rodgers for the offense to have any success.
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10 years ago

McCarthy has been relatively lucky in having a healthy QB and Receivers. This year is the first where he really had to face adversity on the offense. And I don't think he did a good job of changing the offense to match the skill of the players available. It took getting Flynn so he could again call plays about the same as he does for Rodgers for the offense to have any success.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Healthy receivers?

Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jermichael Finley,and Randall Cobb have all had injuries.
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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Healthy receivers?

Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Jermichael Finley,and Randall Cobb have all had injuries.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



But before this year, it was more limited and there always another player to step in where the offense didn't need to be changed because of Rodgers throwing to them.
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