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10 years ago

People saying a TE but I really don't think it is that huge of a need. If we have Nelson, Cobb, Jones and Boykin, is a TE really that important? Quarless did a very good job at the end and he is a good blocker. I would worry more about the lines and safety. I see on walters football they have us taking Mosely at ILB.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



It depends on the TE. If they can land an All Pro TE then yeah they need him. If it is just a run of the mill average TE who doesn't do anything outstanding and can be replaced by 30 other guys then no they don't need him.
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play2win
10 years ago

I don't think it's that different from any other position, really. TE just has lower positional value. Or used to have. Right now, I'd take a TE of Gronk's or Graham's caliber with the 21st pick in a heartbeat.

Not going BPA and drafting purely for need is what teams like the Jaguars tend to do. That nets you guys like Alualu at 10 overall and Gabbert in that same slot. The Lions did the same thing before they started drafting BPA. They've take a big step up from those days since they went with a guy like Farley, even though DT wasn't a need at that time.

The draft is just not something you should fill holes with like that. That's what FA is for. Even if we do barely use FA, that doesn't mean you want to go and then use the draft as a substitute.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Exactly. Ted must use FA or make a trade for a veteran top FS. Then, draft BPA. Problem is, will he make a move prior to the draft to insure S is covered?
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I do not know if it applies to safety, but Jason Wilde did say the Packers wouldn't take Matt Elam because of his height. One cornerback in nine drafts doesn't do much to debunk the rule. Plus, I believe Hayward was listed as 6-1 at Vanderbilt. Colleges do exaggerate height, but it's not as if he's as small as Lamarcus Joyner or Terrell Buckley. I’m sure Thompson (and Wolf) had exceptions over their tenure as GM, but I’m guessing it was rare. Regardless, it would surprise me if the Packers took Joyner or any cornerback that small.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



Oh, so now it's cornerback, not defensive back? 🙄 I didn't check every draft, only a few random ones. (wink wink Rockmolder)


I called it the Terrell Buckley rule because he was a CORNER that was sub six feet AND from Florida State who basically was a massive flop for the Packers. Granted, he later went on to have a admirable career with teams like the Dolphins. I still remember the crowd erupting with cheers when he signaled fair catch AND caught the ball lol

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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago

Oh, so now it's cornerback, not defensive back? 🙄 I didn't check every draft, only a few random ones. (wink wink Rockmolder)


I called it the Terrell Buckley rule because he was a CORNER that was sub six feet AND from Florida State who basically was a massive flop for the Packers. Granted, he later went on to have a admirable career with teams like the Dolphins. I still remember the crowd erupting with cheers when he signaled fair catch AND caught the ball lol

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Jason Garrett owes 10% of his yearly earnings since becoming a coach in the NFL to Terrell Buckley.
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porky88
10 years ago

Oh, so now it's cornerback, not defensive back? 🙄 I didn't check every draft, only a few random ones. (wink wink Rockmolder)


I called it the Terrell Buckley rule because he was a CORNER that was sub six feet AND from Florida State who basically was a massive flop for the Packers. Granted, he later went on to have a admirable career with teams like the Dolphins. I still remember the crowd erupting with cheers when he signaled fair catch AND caught the ball lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I did check every one of Ted Thompson's drafts and I did not find a single cornerback under 5-11. It is the Terrell Buckley rule. I thought it applied to 6-0 and under, but Beast correctly pointed out that it is 5-10 and under. For what it's worth, I found no DB smaller than 5-10. Regardless, this rules out Florida State CB/S Lamarcus Joyner, who I find to be one of the most instinctive players in this draft.
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10 years ago
Thats a shame because Joyner is one hell of a player
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

I don't think it's that different from any other position, really. TE just has lower positional value. Or used to have. Right now, I'd take a TE of Gronk's or Graham's caliber with the 21st pick in a heartbeat.

Not going BPA and drafting purely for need is what teams like the Jaguars tend to do. That nets you guys like Alualu at 10 overall and Gabbert in that same slot. The Lions did the same thing before they started drafting BPA. They've take a big step up from those days since they went with a guy like Farley, even though DT wasn't a need at that time.

The draft is just not something you should fill holes with like that. That's what FA is for. Even if we do barely use FA, that doesn't mean you want to go and then use the draft as a substitute.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



I agree with most of what you say. The problem is, TE is a position where it is hard to identify a future star. As I said, Gronk and Graham are examples of that. There probably are a lot of negative examples too.

You can modify drafting BPA by putting a few limits on it. For example, no chance we draft a QB or probably not a RB even if they are at the top of the board. All things considered, I would treat TE the same way. What we already have ain't great, but it is pretty decent, and drafting a TE #1 is far from a sure thing to be a star player. Plus, bottom line is the need for defensive playmakers.


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beast
10 years ago

Another very interesting guys that might be there is

DL Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame, 6-6, 312

He's a prototypical 3-4 DE type than can sub in at NT from time to time but I don't think he can stay there. Though Packers haven't seem to want prototypical 3-4 DEs for what ever reason.

Prototypical 3-4 DE normally have longer limbs to battle with so they can play one gap and two gap better... because of the longer limbs they're usually 6'4" and up and they did grab Datone Jones 6'4" ... but Packers have seemed to prefer going the other way geting shorter guys, the idea of having short guys is they're closer to the ground and there for a better natural leverage point.


I understand having better natural leverage is important but so is keeping guys out of your pads... I question the Packers not grabing more taller DL to get that reach vaule which most 3-4 teams seem to perfer in their DEs.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I did check every one of Ted Thompson's drafts and I did not find a single cornerback under 5-11. It is the Terrell Buckley rule. I thought it applied to 6-0 and under, but Beast correctly pointed out that it is 5-10 and under. For what it's worth, I found no DB smaller than 5-10. Regardless, this rules out Florida State CB/S Lamarcus Joyner, who I find to be one of the most instinctive players in this draft.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



The only way to correctly point it out is to source the rule directly to Ted Thompson's words. I have yet to see that. Otherwise we can surmise there is a rule to not draft Wisconsin players since Ted Thompson as Packers GM (not sure about Seattle time as draft guru). Or about a hundred other "rules".


I liked that Tyrann Mathieu (sp) coming out of college, but figured he was too short especially after Charles Woodson said something about the Packers needed to get bigger and faster and someone on the staff agreed with him.
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play2win
10 years ago

The only way to correctly point it out is to source the rule directly to Ted Thompson's words. I have yet to see that. Otherwise we can surmise there is a rule to not draft Wisconsin players since Ted Thompson as Packers GM (not sure about Seattle time as draft guru). Or about a hundred other "rules".


I liked that Tyrann Mathieu (sp) coming out of college, but figured he was too short especially after Charles Woodson said something about the Packers needed to get bigger and faster and someone on the staff agreed with him.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yeah, the Mathieu pick was also fraught with character issues. I think that is what kept him out of GB, rather than size/stature. The kid can certainly play the game of football. I wish we had him. At least, I think I do… 😆
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