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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:49:45 AM(UTC)

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12. Green Bay Packers (21st)

PassB: 3rd,
RunB: 26th,
PEN: 16th

Stud: How would Josh Sitton fare switching to left guard? The +33.1 grade should tell you. Ending the season with just one negatively graded game (Week 1) he was the model of consistency, allowing just eight quarterback disruptions all year.

Dud: He only played 250 snaps, yet that was enough time for Marshall Newhouse (-9.2) to show everyone the team made the right move in benching him.

Analysis: The strength of the unit remains the interior where besides Sitton, T.J. Lang had an encouraging year if somewhat lacking on the consistency front. Evan Dietrich-Smith was perhaps the biggest surprise as he likely locked down the starting centers job for a long time and it leaves the line in good shape. David Bakhtiari was hardly a disaster and with Bryan Bulaga to return, the team suddenly has some real depth.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:20:09 AM(UTC)

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I'm actually pretty excited for this OL development, especially with Bulaga returning to what I would imagine to be RT. If we re-sign EDS, which I think we will, this could be very good moving forward. Lang's play suffered with the Newhouse/Barclay thing happening next to him. Solid play from Bulaga could make all the difference in the world.

I'm also looking forward to seeing what Tretter can do at C, possibly in a backup role, possibly as a starter… Regardless, this is encouraging. With Mike McCarthy having an entire year with the 1-2 punch of Lacy and Starks, I think he came around to how to run the football with authority. At least, he's closer than he was last year and the year before. We should be much improved next season.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 8:22:10 AM(UTC)

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I can't see how our line ranked that high pass blocking and that low run blocking? If we had the 3rd best oline pass blocking there must be some really shitty pass blocking olines. And if we were that bad in run blocking (with two backs averaging 4 and 5 ypc) there are some really great run blocking Olines.

I would expect us to be 10-15th in both.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21:11 AM(UTC)

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I can't see how our line ranked that high pass blocking and that low run blocking? If we had the 3rd best oline pass blocking there must be some really shitty pass blocking olines. And if we were that bad in run blocking (with two backs averaging 4 and 5 ypc) there are some really great run blocking Olines.

I would expect us to be 10-15th in both.


Agreed. They gave up 45 sacks. That is 9th most. I don't care how many yards Aaron throws for (which I have to assume it a plus for the OL) you can't be 3rd best passing line with that many sacks. And then there are the pressures and hurries and hits to factor in. Aaron may not have taken the sack but he was pressured and had to scramble a whole bunch of times. Those should be negatives for the line not positives.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:27:00 AM(UTC)

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Keep in mind that ProFootballFocus doesn't place every sack onto the OL. They analyze each play and assign the sack to where it should go. And Aaron Rodgers deserves a lot of blame for a lot of the sacks. Personally, anytime he holds the ball for more than 3 seconds and it's a sack I would say it's on him. You need to get rid of the dang ball. If Aaron isn't intelligent enough to get through his reads faster, maybe he should do less commercials and spend more time watching film.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:34:01 AM(UTC)

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Agreed. They gave up 45 sacks. That is 9th most. I don't care how many yards Aaron throws for (which I have to assume it a plus for the OL) you can't be 3rd best passing line with that many sacks. And then there are the pressures and hurries and hits to factor in. Aaron may not have taken the sack but he was pressured and had to scramble a whole bunch of times. Those should be negatives for the line not positives.


According to their charts our OL allowed the least amount of "hurries" and 6th least total "hits" on QB but the 8th most sacks (they attribute some of the sacks to the QB if they do something like hold the ball too long or run into a sack). So they didn't often give up pressures but they were turned into sacks at a high rate. I have to say I feel like that's pretty accurate. We had great pass blocking up the middle this year for the most part. Bakhtiari improved a lot throughout the year and Barclay was the only player on the line who wasn't really very good at any point and 1 position struggling can usually be mitigated. I also think the game plan this year (especially with Flynn) was to throw more quick passes and that also contributed. Also Bakhtiari I usually thought was solid for the most part but when he got beat he got beat quickly.

This certainly doesn't show that our line was great this year by any means and I'm sure you could find many flaws in the charting but maybe some here could concede that the line was possibly better in comparison to the rest of the NFL teams than their perception of it was.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:29 AM(UTC)

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Thanks guys. Good explanations.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:54:10 AM(UTC)

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I wonder exactly how they do judge things.

Our O-Line absolutely does NOT pass the eye test. Contrary to silly remarks blaming Aaron Rodgers for what amounts to caution about avoiding interceptions, the only reason our O-Line did not fare a LOT worse in terms of sacks is the escapability of our illustrious QB.

26th in run blocking sounds about right based on what we see virtually every time Lacy tries to run outside and even on inside runs when the opponent's D is not looking for the pass.

Josh Sitton is good, and EDS and Lang had decent seasons, but I question whether they are as good as their ranking. Could it be that the interior gets higher ratings against the pass rush because it is so pathetically easy to beat our OTs that opponents don't emphasize coming up the middle? Could it be that Rodgers is good enough at getting away from center quickly that an outside rush makes more sense?

I don't see much help on the way for our O-Line - other than the HOPE of Bulaga returning to decency and the long shot hope of Sherrod playing like a first rounder. I don't have much hope for Bakhtiari improving significantly. Just the same, maybe good enough is good enough. With Rodgers, and now Lacy, we STILL ought to be able to outscore just about anybody just about anytime, especially if they snap out this idiotic trend of trying to run on early downs.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:03:00 AM(UTC)

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I wonder exactly how they do judge things.


Click me and wonder no more.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20:38 AM(UTC)

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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I wonder exactly how they do judge things.

Our O-Line absolutely does NOT pass the eye test. Contrary to silly remarks blaming Aaron Rodgers for what amounts to caution about avoiding interceptions, the only reason our O-Line did not fare a LOT worse in terms of sacks is the escapability of our illustrious QB.



Maybe you should get your eyes checked. Our illustrious and escapable QB didn't play half the season and there wasn't a big difference between pressure and sacks whether Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien or Wallace were QB so I guess we had 4 illustrious QBs.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:34:17 AM(UTC)

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steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Maybe you should get your eyes checked. Our illustrious and escapable QB didn't play half the season and there wasn't a big difference between pressure and sacks whether Rodgers, Flynn, Tolzien or Wallace were QB so I guess we had 4 illustrious QBs.


And you would actually claim that ANY of those QBs were given any reasonable time to throw? not running for their lives virtually every pass play? Come on!
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:01:58 AM(UTC)

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PFF can use scientific charting, stats and all the specific examples they want. They don't know anything compared to us fans and our 'eye test'. Smile
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:04:51 AM(UTC)

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And you would actually claim that ANY of those QBs were given any reasonable time to throw? not running for their lives virtually every pass play? Come on!


None of those QBs were running for their lives on virtually every pass play except for Flynn in the Detroit game.
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