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DakotaT  
#41 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 7:24:15 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
OUR team was also a shell of itself.

We've beaten the Giants a number of times over the years. It's getting to be a pretty good rivalry, but it's not like they have our number or anything.


Naw, just when the game really matters. [sarcasm]

Two playoff losses at home to the same team means they have our number, and so do the Niners. Their similarity is defense and team toughness, which we lack.
play2win  
#42 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 7:34:39 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
in other words, despite Coach Michael's contrary insistence, the Packers are a soft team. Especially on defense.


Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know of anyone who would describe the Packers as a "physical" football team, and rightly so. We just are not. That needs to change.

Looking back, players like Cullen Jenkins, Collins, Bishop, and Charles Woodson, the former NFL DPOY have never been replaced.

SEA had 3 key FA acquisitions that paid enormous benefits over the last couple of seasons, Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril and McDonald up front. And, they've developed a great set of LBs and DBs. Fast. Big. Hard hitting playmakers.

We don't have that. The climate, mindset, and players needs to drastically change in GB. Personnel staff, coaching staff and players all need to change their ways to truly compete with that.

I mean, my last game attended in GB, v. CLE, I was told by the usher to sit down 3 or 4 times. Two old ladies behind us were complaining about my cheering on the team. WTF? And SEA has the 12th man. The whole climate in GB needs an overhaul. As fans we should be loud, into the game, supporting the team. I realized this is part of a much bigger problem in GB. They want it to be a nice, serene family experience, but there is a tipping point, where we lose any home field advantage because Lambeau has become too nice. It is almost reflected in the team. No one fears Lambeau. Why should they? Our team isn't tough, we don't even make an attempt to add to FA talent to help push us over the edge, and our home turf is easy for visiting teams to win on.

We went 4-4-1 at Home this season.
wpr  
#43 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 10:44:50 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know of anyone who would describe the Packers as a "physical" football team, and rightly so. We just are not. That needs to change.

Looking back, players like Cullen Jenkins, Collins, Bishop, and Charles Woodson, the former NFL DPOY have never been replaced.

SEA had 3 key FA acquisitions that paid enormous benefits over the last couple of seasons, Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril and McDonald up front. And, they've developed a great set of LBs and DBs. Fast. Big. Hard hitting playmakers.

We don't have that. The climate, mindset, and players needs to drastically change in GB. Personnel staff, coaching staff and players all need to change their ways to truly compete with that.

I mean, my last game attended in GB, v. CLE, I was told by the usher to sit down 3 or 4 times. Two old ladies behind us were complaining about my cheering on the team. WTF? And SEA has the 12th man. The whole climate in GB needs an overhaul. As fans we should be loud, into the game, supporting the team. I realized this is part of a much bigger problem in GB. They want it to be a nice, serene family experience, but there is a tipping point, where we lose any home field advantage because Lambeau has become too nice. It is almost reflected in the team. No one fears Lambeau. Why should they? Our team isn't tough, we don't even make an attempt to add to FA talent to help push us over the edge, and our home turf is easy for visiting teams to win on.

We went 4-4-1 at Home this season.


No No NO. You CAN"T add quality FAs to the Packer team. You can only draft players or pick up the leftovers after the draft has ended and then sit back and wait for them to develop. Obviously the coaching staff is so great they can take any player and turn them into an all world player simply by walking past them while they insure the guys are properly stretching out before practices to insure they don't pull or tear any muscles or ligaments.

I like Mike. He is a heck of a nice guy. But look at the two HC of the NFC for the past two SB. Both are a bit of an @ss. There teams especially their defenses reflect that personality. I want to see that swagger back in GB again.

As for your Lambeau experience, over the years I have been to a lot of games. Having people sit down is not a problem in or section. A lot of people stand. A lot of people cheer and make noise. The only time I recall it being an issue is when people stand and there is really nothing going on at the time. I like it when the crowd is more or less quiet when GB is on offense. I don't mind the noise when they are on defense. I yell when there is something to yell about. If the other team is backed up to their end zone. If it is 2nd and 3rd down and long. If it is 4th down and any distance. Normally I don't do a whole lot on 1st down and they are at mid field. Or 2nd and short. It just seems practical to pick and choose the times to yell the loudest. Then again if the defense is laying down and letting the other team march all over them, I don't get too noisy. I kind of like to see the defense stand up and make some plays before I am required to do so too. The harder the defense plays the more noise I will make.
PackFanWithTwins  
#44 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 10:55:35 AM(UTC)
After the game I was watching some of the post games shows late last night and I heard one comment and I can't remember who made it. But what they said was, Peyton's skill at being able to figure out what the defense is trying to do, to be able to read the scheme was nullified because Seattle didn't do anything in the scheme. They don't line up and try to trick you, they just beat you.

And that is what we are missing, mainly on the Dline, we don't win many battles at all, even with Clay. Al Harris, played mean, Woodson played mean, Collins played mean, Jenkins played mean Kampmann played mean. Today, nobody is mean. Clay had that once, but has lost it.

I would actually love to have somebody like Suh on this team. I believe we have the talent to be a very good defense, maybe not what Seattle showed because what they were this year, is something you don't see often. But I don't know if that talent can be turned mean enough. Than again we don't need to be Seattle defense, we need to be a very good packers defense because I think we are going to have the most powerful offense next year with the balance of Rodgers passing and lacy running.
play2win  
#45 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:14:47 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
No No NO. You CAN"T add quality FAs to the Packer team. You can only draft players or pick up the leftovers after the draft has ended and then sit back and wait for them to develop. Obviously the coaching staff is so great they can take any player and turn them into an all world player simply by walking past them while they insure the guys are properly stretching out before practices to insure they don't pull or tear any muscles or ligaments.

I like Mike. He is a heck of a nice guy. But look at the two HC of the NFC for the past two SB. Both are a bit of an @ss. There teams especially their defenses reflect that personality. I want to see that swagger back in GB again.

As for your Lambeau experience, over the years I have been to a lot of games. Having people sit down is not a problem in or section. A lot of people stand. A lot of people cheer and make noise. The only time I recall it being an issue is when people stand and there is really nothing going on at the time. I like it when the crowd is more or less quiet when GB is on offense. I don't mind the noise when they are on defense. I yell when there is something to yell about. If the other team is backed up to their end zone. If it is 2nd and 3rd down and long. If it is 4th down and any distance. Normally I don't do a whole lot on 1st down and they are at mid field. Or 2nd and short. It just seems practical to pick and choose the times to yell the loudest. Then again if the defense is laying down and letting the other team march all over them, I don't get too noisy. I kind of like to see the defense stand up and make some plays before I am required to do so too. The harder the defense plays the more noise I will make.


Yeah, it was just the principle of the thing… nothing inappropriate, but simply responding to good play, etc. I was baffled and super disappointed. But, there is this attitude that is missing there. How the hell can you not be allowed to stand up and cheer a good play, or to make some noise with the opposing offense on the field? How can a person not be allowed to get into the game that they paid dearly for? I mean, I stood and cheered as they carried Finley off on a stretcher, showing support for the man, and that was the last time the usher came down and warned me. I was completely shocked. Pissed. That would NEVER happen in Seattle. I guarantee it.

I think the Packers need to add some nasty back to Lambeau Field, and take back their long lost HFA. Enough with the frumpy old ladies who just want to sit in the park and watch a ball game. Green Bay needs an attitude change, in every aspect of what they do. "Go Pack Go, Eh!" Cute, but hardly menacing…

I mean, Bruce Irvin and Marshawn Lynch weren't "Packer People," and they just won the SB…

wpr  
#46 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:31:30 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, it was just the principle of the thing… nothing inappropriate, but simply responding to good play, etc. I was baffled and super disappointed. But, there is this attitude that is missing there. How the hell can you not be allowed to stand up and cheer a good play, or to make some noise with the opposing offense on the field? How can a person not be allowed to get into the game that they paid dearly for? I mean, I stood and cheered as they carried Finley off on a stretcher, showing support for the man, and that was the last time the usher came down and warned me. I was completely shocked. Pissed. That would NEVER happen in Seattle. I guarantee it.

I think the Packers need to add some nasty back to Lambeau Field, and take back their long lost HFA. Enough with the frumpy old ladies who just want to sit in the park and watch a ball game. Green Bay needs an attitude change, in every aspect of what they do. "Go Pack Go, Eh!" Cute, but hardly menacing…

I mean, Bruce Irvin and Marshawn Lynch weren't "Packer People," and they just won the SB…



I was at the Cleveland game. Everyone around us stood and applauded JerMike. You just had an over zealous flunky as an usher.
steveishere  
#47 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:36:55 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, it was just the principle of the thing… nothing inappropriate, but simply responding to good play, etc. I was baffled and super disappointed. But, there is this attitude that is missing there. How the hell can you not be allowed to stand up and cheer a good play, or to make some noise with the opposing offense on the field? How can a person not be allowed to get into the game that they paid dearly for? I mean, I stood and cheered as they carried Finley off on a stretcher, showing support for the man, and that was the last time the usher came down and warned me. I was completely shocked. Pissed. That would NEVER happen in Seattle. I guarantee it.

I think the Packers need to add some nasty back to Lambeau Field, and take back their long lost HFA. Enough with the frumpy old ladies who just want to sit in the park and watch a ball game. Green Bay needs an attitude change, in every aspect of what they do. "Go Pack Go, Eh!" Cute, but hardly menacing…

I mean, Bruce Irvin and Marshawn Lynch weren't "Packer People," and they just won the SB…



stop with the packers people crap. Do you have some sort of credible information that GB wasn't interested in those guys or something because they weren't "packer people" No you don't because GB did try to get Lynch here. So much for that idea.
play2win  
#48 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:37:11 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I was at the Cleveland game. Everyone around us stood and applauded JerMike. You just had an over zealous flunky as an usher.


Yeah, holy crap. And two old bats behind us...
play2win  
#49 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:39:05 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
stop with the packers people crap. Do you have some sort of credible information that GB wasn't interested in those guys or something because they weren't "packer people" No you don't because GB did try to get Lynch here. So much for that idea.


What is your problem?

A half hearted attempt by Ted Thompson, to me, does not automatically translate to "trying." I guess it does to you.
steveishere  
#50 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:42:27 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
What is your problem?

A half hearted attempt by Ted Thompson, to me, does not automatically translate to "trying." I guess it does to you.


You don't know what attempts were made lol. Either way the fact is they were interested in him which makes the packer people statement complete bullshit. People take the packer people thing too far it isn't a thing as much as some people act like it's a thing.
play2win  
#51 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:47:55 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't know what attempts were made lol. Either way the fact is they were interested in him which makes the packer people statement complete bullshit. People take the packer people thing too far it isn't a thing as much as some people act like it's a thing.


whatever….

Quote:
Packers G.M. Ted Thompson agreed with a lot of Green Bay fans: He thought Marshawn Lynch could improve the Packers.

Thompson just didn’t want Lynch as badly as the Seahawks did.

Pete Doughtery of the Green Bay Press-Gazette reports Thompson was “in on the bidding” for Lynch before Seattle acquired him. The Seahawks ultimately gave up a fourth-round pick in 2011 and a sixth-round pick in 2012 that could escalate to a fifth-rounder.

I agree with Florio that the Packers should have made a play for Lynch, but it’s not a devastating non-move. The Packers, like the Patriots, are a matchup-based pass-first team that will use a running back committee. They don’t need to feed a back 20 times a game. Brandon Jackson can handle passing downs well and John Kuhn is a solid enough option on running downs.

Certainly the Packers could use more depth at running back and a spark at the position would be nice. But their troubles at running back matter less than finding some offensive line consistency and locating a pass rush outside of Clay Matthews.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-packers-were-in-the-bidding-for-marshawn-lynch/

and…

Quote:
Packers G.M. Ted Thompson isn’t into splashy moves. That doesn’t stop speculation about them in Green Bay.

Aaron Rodgers was asked about the possibility of the Packers trading for his old college teammate Marshawn Lynch following Ryan Grant’s season-ending injury.

“Bring him on,” Rodgers said, via Greg Bedard of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. “He’s a great player.”

In a shocking development, Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports has been stumping for the Packers to rescue Lynch, his beloved former Cal Bear. The move makes sense on many levels until you read Buffalo’s asking price.

Silver reports the Bills turned down a third-round pick and a player for Lynch in the offseason and showed no interest when a team called about Lynch as recently as last week. I don’t need sources in Green Bay to know Thompson would rather talk about his personal life in a press conference than give up a third-round pick for Lynch. It won’t happen.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/15/aaron-rodgers-on-marshawn-lynch-bring-him-on/

Seattle traded a 4th round pick, along with a conditional 5th or 6th round selection the following year.

You call not beating that deal trying? I don't. And our running game was a clusterfuck from 2011 on till we got Lacy. That was a missed opportunity.
Mucky Tundra  
#52 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 11:57:33 AM(UTC)
So, how wasn't Lynch a Packers people person?
play2win  
#53 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 12:01:53 PM(UTC)
Mucky Tundra said: Go to Quoted Post
So, how wasn't Lynch a Packers people person?


2009 Season
Following his guilty plea on misdemeanor weapons charges during the 2009 offseason, Lynch met with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for a disciplinary hearing. Lynch had been arrested in Culver City, California, for having a gun in his backpack in the trunk of a car he was occupying, a crime in California.[19] On April 9, the NFL announced that Lynch would be suspended for the Bills' first three games for violations of the NFL's personal conduct policy.[20] Lynch appealed the league's suspension on May 14 in an attempt to have it reduced or nullified, only to have it upheld by Goodell later on August 3. When interviewed on the topic, Lynch has said that he was not surprised when the suspension was upheld, and that he loves playing too much and will try to keep himself out of situations in which there is a risk of being suspended. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshawn_Lynch

also:

Quote:
The deal was made two weeks before the NFL trade deadline, and marks a turnaround in philosophy for the Bills, who said last spring they had no intention of trading him. Lynch had been seeking a fresh start after his reputation in Buffalo took a hit following his off-field troubles.

In June 2008, he pleaded guilty to a traffic violation and admitted to driving off after striking a female pedestrian with his car near Buffalo's downtown bar district.

In March 2009, Lynch pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor gun charge in Los Angeles, after police discovered a semiautomatic handgun in a backpack of the trunk of a parked car Lynch was sitting in.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5651832
steveishere  
#54 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 12:23:48 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
whatever….

http://profootballtalk.n...ding-for-marshawn-lynch/

and…

http://profootballtalk.n...hawn-lynch-bring-him-on/

Seattle traded a 4th round pick, along with a conditional 5th or 6th round selection the following year.

You call not beating that deal trying? I don't. And our running game was a clusterfuck from 2011 on till we got Lacy. That was a missed opportunity.


That's what his market value was at the time (he wasn't exactly lighting it up in buffalo) hence no one else apparently offering more. Even being interested in him sort of debunks that they weren't interested in him because of not being packers people nonsense.
play2win  
#55 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 12:46:23 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
That's what his market value was at the time (he wasn't exactly lighting it up in buffalo) hence no one else apparently offering more. Even being interested in him sort of debunks that they weren't interested in him because of not being packers people nonsense.


Wow. You clearly know nothing about the subject. He went to the Pro Bowl in 2008 after rushing for over 1000 yds. Ran into trouble in 2009, was suspended, then demoted. Ankle sprain kept him out of the beginning of 2010, and he was on his way out the door, just in time for the trade deadline.

BTW, it was Buffalo. Perennial idiots of the NFL. Ted could have stolen him for a 3rd round pick…. But, continue on with your circular argument with yourself.

Hmmmm. Alex Green or Marshawn Lynch… Who would I rather have...
steveishere  
#56 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:03:36 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Wow. You clearly know nothing about the subject. He went to the Pro Bowl in 2008 after rushing for over 1000 yds. Ran into trouble in 2009, was suspended, then demoted. Ankle sprain kept him out of the beginning of 2010, and he was on his way out the door, just in time for the trade deadline.

BTW, it was Buffalo. Perennial idiots of the NFL. Ted could have stolen him for a 3rd round pick…. But, continue on with your circular argument with yourself.

Hmmmm. Alex Green or Marshawn Lynch… Who would I rather have...


He was coming off 17 previous combined games with less than 600 yards hence the lowered stock clearly I know nothing lol. Are you saying around a 4th round pick wasn't his market value at the time? Many teams would give up a 1st round pick to get the production Seattle has out of him but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't worth a 1st round pick to any team in 2010. That's not the point anyways, the point is you claiming the Packers weren't interested in him because of the foolish notion of not being Packers people despite the fact that they clearly WERE interested in him on some level regardless of "Packers people"
DakotaT  
#57 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:12:14 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
He was coming off 17 previous combined games with less than 600 yards hence the lowered stock clearly I know nothing lol. Are you saying around a 4th round pick wasn't his market value at the time? Many teams would give up a 1st round pick to get the production Seattle has out of him but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't worth a 1st round pick to any team in 2010. That's not the point anyways, the point is you claiming the Packers weren't interested in him because of the foolish notion of not being Packers people despite the fact that they clearly WERE interested in him on some level regardless of "Packers people"


Yeah, well being the tight ass that cost us Lynch also cost us Randy Moss in 07 that might have netted us another Super Bowl. For all the frugalness that ends up helping us, it sure has kicked us in the nutz too.
Mucky Tundra  
#58 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:17:38 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, well being the tight ass that cost us Lynch also cost us Randy Moss in 07 that might have netted us another Super Bowl. For all the frugalness that ends up helping us, it sure has kicked us in the nutz too.


Would having Moss helped this team beaten the Giants and Patriots? I mean, Favre was an ice cube in the second half vs the Giants and Giants dline mauled us and the Patriots and our front wasn't as good as theirs. Plus has Moss ever had a big game in the playoffs?

Edit: Forgot to mention, does Randy Moss know how to play CB? Because I remember Al Harris getting abused by Plexico Burress (guy with off the field issues, not PP material!)
nerdmann  
#59 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:22:31 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
One look at Seattle's D last night and I would say we are pretty far away from our next Superbowl.

We need, still, to get bigger and faster on D, and I'll add, meaner. We seemed to play uninspired football far too often last season.

I'm taken aback by our loss of toughness and inspired play. We clearly don't have the same types of players on our D, as was on display with Seattle.


Seattle's D is good, but they seemed to be pretty healthy. And here's, IMO the major deciding factor in that game: Peyton overprepares himself for big games, then gets overly tense and shits himself.

What we say in the Superbowl this year was FOUR solid quarters of Mike McCarthy LULL. Tense up, think too much, be tentative, never get into a rhythmn, shit yourself repeatedly.

Archie Manning was a great player, stuck on a shitty team for his entire career. His sons are his revenge on the NFL. It just means too much to Peyton Manning. He can't relax and just play in those situations.
nerdmann  
#60 Posted : Monday, February 3, 2014 1:25:32 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
stop with the packers people crap. Do you have some sort of credible information that GB wasn't interested in those guys or something because they weren't "packer people" No you don't because GB did try to get Lynch here. So much for that idea.


Neither Charles Woodson nor Koren Robinson were "Packer People." Then again, one might say Jolly isn't either.
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