Zero2Cool
10 years ago

If we can get a group of second rounders like Eddie Lacy and Jordy Nelson, I'd be happy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I'd prefer a 2nd rounder like Nick Collins and toss in a Daryn Colledge too. That kind of talent will bring the Packers to the promised land.
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play2win
10 years ago

When was the last time you saw a significant in-season trade in the NFL?

As I've alluded to before, Seattle has 1/7th of their salary cap tied up in two WRs who hardly see the field (who they traded for/signed as FAs, btw). Conversely, they have All Pros and cornerstones that led them to the SB which they found in later rounds (Chancellor and Sherman RD 5, Wilson 3, Unger Rd 2). Yes, they made some FA moves, and it can be effective, but generally you're paying a lot more for a FA which can end up being just as unproductive as a 3rd rounder who may come at a fraction of the cost. I'm not saying avoid FA, but to say we need to "go all in" this year and jeopardize future drafts is unnecessary and unstable for the future of the franchise. Finally, just because the Packers didn't get a big FA this offseason doesn't mean they didn't try - look at S. Jackson, we tried, and look at Saturday two years ago. Both ended up being disappointments for their respective teams, btw.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Seattle traded for Marshawn Lynch and Percy Harvin (who could have easily won SB MVP), and signed Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett, amongst others in building that team. Do you know how many sacks Clemons has over the last 3 years since they signed him?

They will line up the same guys next season, and who will really contend with that?

I'm sorry, that argument doesn't wash. I don't care how much cash they have tied up in Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice. They could cut Rice this year. Point is, their team is built for a solid 2-3 year run. This isn't a contest for how far under the cap you can be, it is a contest for who can build the best team and win. Right now, John Schneider is taking it to his mentor, Ted Thompson. We are NO WHERE close as we stand today. Follow your line of thinking, and what I hope is Ted's old line of thinking, and we may have a S drafted and developed in 2-3 years, just in time for Rodgers' second window to close...

It is time for Ted to answer.
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
A "knee-jerk" reaction would be to make such a trade now - or basically anytime other than draft day, minutes before a pick where we have our sights on somebody in particular. The concept of including next year's pick(s) in a draft day trade like when we got Clay Matthews is a good one, but just to up and make a trade like that with no immediate thing in mind? Hell no, that's not a good idea.

Safety is - or should be - a major exception to the draft and develop idea. Unlike almost any other position on the field, it usually does take 2-3 years to develop. With the immediate need we have there now, the best way to handle it is sign a quality free agent - Byrd or Ward.
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musccy
10 years ago

Seattle traded for Marshawn Lynch and Percy Harvin (who could have easily won SB MVP), and signed Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett, amongst others in building that team. Do you know how many sacks Clemons has over the last 3 years since they signed him?

They will line up the same guys next season, and who will really contend with that?

I'm sorry, that argument doesn't wash. I don't care how much cash they have tied up in Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice. They could cut Rice this year. Point is, their team is built for a solid 2-3 year run. This isn't a contest for how far under the cap you can be, it is a contest for who can build the best team and win. Right now, John Schneider is taking it to his mentor, Ted Thompson. We are NO WHERE close as we stand today. Follow your line of thinking, and what I hope is Ted's old line of thinking, and we may have a S drafted and developed in 2-3 years, just in time for Rodgers' second window to close...

It is time for Ted to answer.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I never said to avoid FA, I just think you get burned by going for the big name/big money FA, and I also think you make a big mistake if you trade up too often in the draft, you need the depth of picks. It's also not as if Ted avoided FA - remember he went after S. Jackson this offseason, he signed J. Saturday last year.

As for being way under the cap, keep in mind the Packers have to sign draft picks, and they have a lot of key components - J. Jones, Sheilds, Starks, EDS, who are due money this year, and Cobb and Nelson on the horizon, so the 28 mil or whatever we're at now is a little deceptive, we have a lot of in-house spending that money needs to go towards yet.

Also keep in mind that Seattle is paying a COMBINED 2 million for their All Pro CB and their starting QB right now, that's a very unique circumstance that the Packers are not in.



play2win
10 years ago

A "knee-jerk" reaction would be to make such a trade now - or basically anytime other than draft day, minutes before a pick where we have our sights on somebody in particular. The concept of including next year's pick(s) in a draft day trade like when we got Clay Matthews is a good one, but just to up and make a trade like that with no immediate thing in mind? Hell no, that's not a good idea.

Safety is - or should be - a major exception to the draft and develop idea. Unlike almost any other position on the field, it usually does take 2-3 years to develop. With the immediate need we have there now, the best way to handle it is sign a quality free agent - Byrd or Ward.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Trading now is not a part of my premise. Not at all. I am talking about draft day or near the draft trading. It all depends on who they feel they are targeting, who they feel comfortable making such a move for, and their level of certainty the player is there or will be there. Maybe they would have a couple of options in the event of a straight up early trade.

All I know, is loading up now could be very beneficial for this Packers team. The idea of trading a R1 from next year, and getting that additional player we want and need in the system this season could go a very long way towards our success over the next few years, even at the expense of possibly missing out on a player next season. Seems an even wash, or better, if we can get that player in the system immediately and get him up to NFL speed, and he is able to contribute to the level we might have thought he would in making the trade.

There is risk in any move. Sometimes, greater risk in not making a move… and we have a lot of catching up to do, especially on our defense. I want this Packers team to contend for the title this coming season, and the next, and the next…

I'm not interested in pussyfooting around and possibly contending in 2-3 years. Why waste a precious year of this short window of opportunity with Aaron Rodgers at the top of his game?

Get the players we need, solid, top veteran talents via FA/trade and the best players we can possibly draft. Seattle is loaded for Bear next season. I want this 2014 Packers team to surpass them, and bring home another Lombardi Trophy. Offensively we are close. Defensively, we are not in the same area code.
musccy
10 years ago



I'm not interested in pussyfooting around and possibly contending in 2-3 years. Why waste a precious year of this short window of opportunity with Aaron Rodgers at the top of his game?

Get the players we need, solid, top veteran talents via FA/trade and the best players we can possibly draft. Seattle is loaded for Bear next season. I want this 2014 Packers team to surpass them, and bring home another Lombardi Trophy. Offensively we are close. Defensively, we are not in the same area code.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Keep in mind the Packers are presumably getting back Sherrod, Bulaga, Worthy, Hayward, and CM3 who all spent significant time in the training room in 2013

You have another year of Boyd, D. Jones, Daniels Boykin, J. Franklin, Bacteria, Hyde developing.

I'm not sure why there is need for panic, or the sense that the Packers have to make some big splash now. There is a lot of talent that we hardly saw in 2013 that currently works at 1265 Lombardi. What do they need? Probably some ILB upgrades, a safety, a TE, and maybe a little more depth at WR and the DLine depending on who the team retains. Some reasonable FA acquisitions and a good deep draft can help fill these voids.
nerdmann
10 years ago

Keep in mind the Packers are presumably getting back Sherrod, Bulaga, Worthy, Hayward, and CM3 who all spent significant time in the training room in 2013

You have another year of Boyd, D. Jones, Daniels Boykin, J. Franklin, Bacteria, Hyde developing.

I'm not sure why there is need for panic, or the sense that the Packers have to make some big splash now. There is a lot of talent that we hardly saw in 2013 that currently works at 1265 Lombardi. What do they need? Probably some ILB upgrades, a safety, a TE, and maybe a little more depth at WR and the DLine depending on who the team retains. Some reasonable FA acquisitions and a good deep draft can help fill these voids.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



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Originally Posted by: Wade 



well said.
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play2win
10 years ago
Is it "panic" to want a Championship Super Bowl Win in 2014? No. But, from a personnel standpoint, we are very far away from that on our defense.

Making it a real possibility this next season will require some doing, some decisions and actions outside of the norm we've come to know since 2006.
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