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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:08:22 AM(UTC)
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Life goes on, and the Green Bay Packers appear to have moved on from wide receiver James Jones.

A source said Jones hasn't been offered a new contract and, in all likelihood, won't be.


Jones has been adequate in GB but he is starting to a few years on him. He probably won't be able to live up the he end of a 3 year contract.

Picking up a wr in the draft would make more sense than keeping Jones.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:55:11 AM(UTC)
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Sad to me because he seems like one hell of a guy, and he has been a reliable player for us. I hope they can keep him in GB. This could play out for a while.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:04:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Sad to me because he seems like one hell of a guy, and he has been a reliable player for us. I hope they can keep him in GB. This could play out for a while.


James Jones has never met the lofty expectations I had for him. He's been a solid player, but very replaceable.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14:35 AM(UTC)
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My thinking is james Jones falls into the category of "wait and see" what happens.

I know FA starts March 11th, not sure just how long it goes, I believe Ted will put the ball in James's corner, letting him see who is interested and for how much.

Ted is not going to overpay James, but if his agent comes back and says this is what we will play for and it in the range Ted wants to pay, he will resign James.

What that number is??? Who knows.

I think there are quite a few of the Packers FA's who fall into this category.

John Kuhn, James Starks, Matt Flynn, Johnny Jolly, Ryan Pickett, Mike Neal, Robert Francois, C. J. Wilson.

I see these guys as Top priority signings.

Sam Shields(don't let him get to March 11th), Evan Dietrich-Smith, Andrew Quarless, and Jamari Lattimore.

The 2 really big ?'s are B.J. Raji(probably gone), and now all of a sudden is Jermicheal Finley back in the picture?(probably not, but could change some of the decisions if he is resigned).

Will be interesting to see what happens between the end of the combine and the start of FA, I believe the picture will start to clear, we will all know what direction The team decided to go.





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#5 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:28:44 AM(UTC)
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JJ showed he's a man, but that said he's not a top end FA.

They'll let him test the market. Ted has a number, and if he's still available for that, he'll be back.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:50:55 AM(UTC)
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IMO the Packer receiving corps will not be as good without James Jones. We go from having 3 solid, guys (I almost said proven but that may still be up in the air on Cobb) and a guy who had a very good 2nd year entering the breakout 3rd year to 2 solid guys and a guy who had a very good 2nd year entering the breakout 3rd year. To me that is not as good.

That said I completely understand the idea behind letting him walk. He is replaceable as Dakota said (not sure what lofty expectations he had for Jones that he never reached but ...) but he is not replaceable at his current level. Maybe with a draft pick we can be to this level or even above in a couple of years but no rookie is going to step into this offense and put up numbers like Jones did if Nelson and Cobb stay healthy. Now Boykin might put up Jones numbers but again, no rookie will put up the numbers Boykin did last year. Not with the guys we have.

However, I am not simply talking about numbers here. I fully expect that with a healthy Rodgers and a healthy Cobb, Nelson, Boykin, ??? the Packers will put up the same or better numbers passing as they have in the past. Hence the understanding of why to let Jones go.If you can get the same numbers for less money why not do it. Also, if they draft a highly talented rookie who knows he might emerge as our go to guy. That is hard to do that with limited roster spots.

What I am talking about is guys playing at an advanced level out on the field right now. You can't tell me that, from a pure talent/experience in a 4 receiver set level you would rather have Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, Rookie than Nelson, Cobb, Boykin and Jones. If you say you would I don't believe you. However, as has been said, having that level of experience may be a luxury we can't afford.

As someone said in the comments section of the JS article. We can win another Super Bowl with James Jones at WR. We cannot with our current MLBs and Safeties

I will hate to see him go and he will be one of the rare players that I follow his career after he leaves.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:25:30 AM(UTC)
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James Jones agent thinks Thompson doesn't want James Jones back next season. “I don’t think Ted Thompson wants [Jones],” agent Frank Bauer told Bob McGinn.

However, Thompson has said he wants all free agents back. Thing is, Thompson has to pick where he spends his salary cap dollars and with Jarrett Boykin (whom I told you would be solid btw, ahem! :P) sufficing as a 3rd WR to Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson, they might have to allocate their monies elsewhere. I wouldn't mind seeing James Jones back, especially if they let Finley walk. I think one of them has to return though.


Somewhere there was a list of top WR free agents. James Jones wasn't even listed on the top 10. Maybe he comes back to the Packers for $3.4 million a year?


Here's a comment from Mike McCarthy on Boykin.
"I'm as high on Boykin as anybody in our building," Mike McCarthy said Friday at the combine. "He had a heck of a year, and I still think he has another jump in him."
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#8 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:38:42 AM(UTC)
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Could it be possibly that Uncle Ted spends our first rounder on a talented top notch WR? I'd really like to see a 6-5 sub 4.4 speed pass catcher with awesome hands and break away speed to team up with Nelson on the outside and Cobb wreaking havoc between the hashes.

Just a thought - no need to tell me we need defense first - that's a given.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:42:32 AM(UTC)
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MARTAVIS BRYANT WR 6'4" and 4.38 forty. Considered to be the 12th best WR in the draft. Hardly worth a 1st round pick.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:44:59 AM(UTC)
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Apparently the draft this year is deep at WR

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With the influx of underclassmen who have declared for the 2014 NFL Draft, wide receiver is now the strongest and deepest position group in this class. Vanderbilt's Jordan Matthews is the only senior wide receiver among the top 12 players at the position in our latest rankings.


2014 NFL Draft wide receiver rankings

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#11 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:20:16 AM(UTC)
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Apparently the draft this year is deep at WR



2014 NFL Draft wide receiver rankings



20. Ryan Grant | 6'1, 191 pounds | Wide receiver | Tulane

Ted should draft this guy, give him #25 and everyone with a Grant uni will be happy as hell!!!!

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Still think it is all part of the process, James isn't top 5 priority, but in the end if the money is right, he might be back.

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Offline play2win  
#12 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:38:31 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, buckeye, I think he will be back in time. Just going to take a while. You know Rodgers wants him back.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:30:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
James Jones has never met the lofty expectations I had for him. He's been a solid player, but very replaceable.


I don't know about lofty expectations - that would be Raji hahahaha. Jones was what? a third round pick? He is in the category of players who served the Packers well, and I wish him luck in getting big money from somebody - not quite like Jennings, but close.

He is IMO more than replaced by Boykin - who gets open just as well and catches the ball better, even though he isn't as much of a deep threat. With the need coming to re-sign Nelson and Cobb - true deep threats, letting Jones walk is the best move.

I like the sound of getting that Randy Moss clone (minus the attitude) which that Martavis guy might be, or somebody similar, providing the guy could actually catch. It would have to be a low round gem, though.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:46:38 PM(UTC)
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JJ is getting to that age, but he's a leader and he's proven himself. I believe Ted would take him back for maybe a 2-3 year deal. Ted has a price, and he won't go beyond that.

But they've got some young guys they like too, Boykin obviously, Kevin Dorsey and Chris Harper. That Tracy White kid seems like a Jeff Query type guy too. Sucks we lost Charles Johnson, but we've still got guys. I'm personally more concerned about TE.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:12:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
JJ is getting to that age, but he's a leader and he's proven himself. I believe Ted would take him back for maybe a 2-3 year deal. Ted has a price, and he won't go beyond that.

But they've got some young guys they like too, Boykin obviously, Kevin Dorsey and Chris Harper. That Tracy White kid seems like a Jeff Query type guy too. Sucks we lost Charles Johnson, but we've still got guys. I'm personally more concerned about TE.


Yeah Chris Harper lol, since people here seem to love John Schneider so much they should be fairly excited about Harper.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:52:05 PM(UTC)
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Jones is very under appreciated. If he goes he will be missed.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:16:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: El3ment12 Go to Quoted Post
Jones is very under appreciated. If he goes he will be missed.



It has been my experience in forum's like this, that Packers fans overvalue their players too much. Jordy and Cobb are our studs, the rest fill positions and are just average players; and it is fiscally irresponsible to overpay for a player like Jones. Off the top of my head, Jones single handedly lost us two Bear games, and in 2010 had embarrassing drops in the Philly playoff game and the Super Bowl. Like I posted earlier, I had lofty expectations for Jones because of his size/speed/strength combination - and he never came close to being the player I hoped would become.
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#18 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:59:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
It has been my experience in forum's like this, that Packers fans overvalue their players too much. Jordy and Cobb are our studs, the rest fill positions and are just average players; and it is fiscally irresponsible to overpay for a player like Jones. Off the top of my head, Jones single handedly lost us two Bear games, and in 2010 had embarrassing drops in the Philly playoff game and the Super Bowl. Like I posted earlier, I had lofty expectations for Jones because of his size/speed/strength combination - and he never came close to being the player I hoped would become.


He had a clutch catch in the NFC Championship game v. CHI that year. I'll never forget that. Had his share of drops but I thought he came back around from that and was pretty reliable after the 2010 drops. I do agree he can be over valued, but Rodgers sure likes having him around. Would not be surprised to see a super cap friendly deal get done near the start of the season if no one else picks him up.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:11:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
He had a clutch catch in the NFC Championship game v. CHI that year. I'll never forget that. Had his share of drops but I thought he came back around from that and was pretty reliable after the 2010 drops. I do agree he can be over valued, but Rodgers sure likes having him around. Would not be surprised to see a super cap friendly deal get done near the start of the season if no one else picks him up.


I'm sure James Jones wants to stay in Green Bay, what receiver wouldn't want to play with Rodgers? Question is what kind of home town discount is he willing to give?
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#20 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:37:53 PM(UTC)
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It's Jones or Cobb in my opinion. That's the decision. I think you go with Cobb.
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#21 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:50:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
It has been my experience in forum's like this, that Packers fans overvalue their players too much. Jordy and Cobb are our studs, the rest fill positions and are just average players; and it is fiscally irresponsible to overpay for a player like Jones. Off the top of my head, Jones single handedly lost us two Bear games, and in 2010 had embarrassing drops in the Philly playoff game and the Super Bowl. Like I posted earlier, I had lofty expectations for Jones because of his size/speed/strength combination - and he never came close to being the player I hoped would become.


IIR it was said when they drafted Jones that he had tremendous leaping ability and all Aaron had to do was throw it high and Jones would out jump the defenders and come down with the ball. I didn't see a lot of that. And I suppose it was the so called experts that were saying it not Mike or Ted.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:12:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
It's Jones or Cobb in my opinion. That's the decision. I think you go with Cobb.


That's a decision even Texas couldn't screw up.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:01:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
It's Jones or Cobb in my opinion. That's the decision. I think you go with Cobb.


If that is the decision then I would agree with you. In my opinion I just don't think that is the decision.

we disagree on that.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:03:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
It has been my experience in forum's like this, that Packers fans overvalue their players too much. Jordy and Cobb are our studs, the rest fill positions and are just average players; and it is fiscally irresponsible to overpay for a player like Jones. Off the top of my head, Jones single handedly lost us two Bear games, and in 2010 had embarrassing drops in the Philly playoff game and the Super Bowl. Like I posted earlier, I had lofty expectations for Jones because of his size/speed/strength combination - and he never came close to being the player I hoped would become.


yup James Jones played 22 positions on offense and defense during those games and all the ST positions as well. He was the only player on the field so he single handedly lost the games.

You say some pretty stupid shit sometimes but I thought you were at least smarter than this. I guess not.

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#25 Posted : Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:16:50 PM(UTC)
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yup James Jones played 22 positions on offense and defense during those games and all the ST positions as well. He was the only player on the field so he single handedly lost the games.

You say some pretty stupid shit sometimes but I thought you were at least smarter than this. I guess not.



Do you even know which Bear games I'm talking about? Peanut Tillman made Jones his bitch and forced several fumbles by Jones that lost us the games. See losing divisional games to our rival teams cause one of our players fucks up stays with me a while. Jones has had way too many mental farts and he's lucky he got his last contract.

If any of you self proclaimed "experts" had an ounce of personality this place would be a lot more fun! Instead all this has become is a copy and paste of stupid stats that don't mean anything. So basically fuck you for calling me stupid, and I'm not going to have a four page pissing match with you, cause frankly, you don't mean anything to me.
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