Zero2Cool
10 years ago

I don't know whether or not it's blatant sarcasm, but I'm in agreement that Hawk was supposed to be a superstar. At the same time, he hasn't actually been a liability to the defense. His play hay been adequate. Good enough? Of course not.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



We're talking James Jones here, but to clarify a known fact. A.J. Hawk was never supposed to be a superstar. He was supposed to be a safe pick, a pick that had already reached his ceiling. Vernon Davis was supposed to be a superstar. He had a high ceiling. Hawk is who he was when drafted. An accountable player who isn't flashy. Hawk isn't the problem for the defense, or even the linebackers.


As for James Jones. I think after the report of how deep of a draft this is, he's gone.


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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

We're talking James Jones here, but to clarify a known fact. A.J. Hawk was never supposed to be a superstar. He was supposed to be a safe pick, a pick that had already reached his ceiling. Vernon Davis was supposed to be a superstar. He had a high ceiling. Hawk is who he was when drafted. An accountable player who isn't flashy. Hawk isn't the problem for the defense, or even the linebackers.


As for James Jones. I think after the report of how deep of a draft this is, he's gone.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I disagree about Hawk. You just don't draft somebody that high in the first round without strong expectation he will be a superstar. In the case of Hawk, I think "safe" meant no character issues or like that - compared to Davis for example, who I am on record as strongly preferring at the time.

Jones, on the other hand, was not expected to be a superstar. He has not been a disappointment. He just ain't worth the slightly less than Greg Jennings money it will probably take to sign him.

It's partly because of the position he plays too - shorter period of peak performance. I can foresee us having a similar discussion about Eddie Lacy in a few years - all out superstar, but questionable whether to pay him into his 30s superstar money.


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steveishere
10 years ago
Lol I really dont see jones getting 8ish million a year
DakotaT
10 years ago

Lol I really dont see jones getting 8ish million a year

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I actually think he is going to resign with the Packers for $3M a year. Doesn't mean I think he is anywhere near the talent of player that is Nelson or Cobb - or that I don't cringe every time he is running with the football. James Jones is damn lucky our defense held out in the Eagles and Steelers playoff games in 2010, or his touchdown drops would have sent him into the unemployment line that season where he got very little free agent interest. Like I've said many times, Packers fans overvalue their players. And we have some major flawed offenders of this in this very forum.
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steveishere
10 years ago

I actually think he is going to resign with the Packers for $3M a year. Doesn't mean I think he is anywhere near the talent of player that is Nelson or Cobb - or that I don't cringe every time he is running with the football. James Jones is damn lucky our defense held out in the Eagles and Steelers playoff games in 2010, or his touchdown drops would have sent him into the unemployment line that season where he got very little free agent interest. Like I've said many times, Packers fans overvalue their players. And we have some major flawed offenders of this in this very forum.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I haven't really seen anybody here "overvaluing" James Jones. It seems to me like most here have been saying he's a decent WR and would be nice to keep but wouldn't be heartbroken if he left. Seems more like you are just inventing those people so you can be the edgy negative guy or something. Like you are just waiting for someone to say anything remotely positive about him so you can jump all over it with your "OMG you guys are overrating him he fumbled in this one game in 2007, everyone things James Jones is the best guy in the NFL" or some such comment.

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DakotaT
10 years ago

I haven't really seen anybody here "overvaluing" James Jones. It seems to me like most here have been saying he's a decent WR and would be nice to keep but wouldn't be heartbroken if he left. Seems more like you are just inventing those people so you can be the edgy negative guy or something. Like you are just waiting for someone to say anything remotely positive about him so you can jump all over it with your "OMG you guys are overrating him he fumbled in this one game in 2007, everyone things James Jones is the best guy in the NFL" or some such comment.

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Originally Posted by: steveishere 



You and Texas should go take a canoe trip and discuss what you know about how I think. Jones has concentration lapses, or like my grasshopper always says - shits himself.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

You and Texas should go take a canoe trip and discuss what you know about how I think. Jones has concentration lapses, or like my grasshopper always says - shits himself.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I'll pass on that. He'd probably tip over the boat.

You and I are on the same side of this, Dakota. That's been happening a lot lately - Raji, Shields, etc. That's a little bit disturbing hahahaha.

It does seem like Jones has made more than his share of bad plays over the years; He also has made some spectacular ones. I think he will get a lot more than $3 million a year from somebody - not the Packers - there's a big difference between 3 and 8.

Bottom line for me is I feel more comfortable with Boykin as the third wide receiver than Jones.


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DakotaT
10 years ago

I'll pass on that. He'd probably tip over the boat.

You and I are on the same side of this, Dakota. That's been happening a lot lately - Raji, Shields, etc. That's a little bit disturbing hahahaha.

It does seem like Jones has made more than his share of bad plays over the years; He also has made some spectacular ones. I think he will get a lot more than $3 million a year from somebody - not the Packers - there's a big difference between 3 and 8.

Bottom line for me is I feel more comfortable with Boykin as the third wide receiver than Jones.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Naw, Boykin is good in the fourth slot. If our defensive player at 21 isn't there, I want Uncle Ted to take a big WR and piss everybody off. It would be insurance in case Cobb or Jordy can't be resigned and would also serve a big need for the loss of Finley.


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nerdmann
10 years ago

Naw, Boykin is good in the fourth slot. If our defensive player at 21 isn't there, I want Uncle Ted to take a big WR and piss everybody off. It would be insurance in case Cobb or Jordy can't be resigned and would also serve a big need for the loss of Finley.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



TE, Ted get can WRs in 2-3.
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10 years ago
Packers will NOT be selecting a player 21st overall that will be on the roster in three years.
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