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Mucky Tundra  
#1 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:32:25 AM(UTC)
LombardiAve said:
On Thursday I began ranking the 2014 NFL Draft prospects by taking a close look at this year's safety class. Today, I would like to take a look at what I believe is the second biggest need on the Green Bay Packers roster, tight end. With Jermichael Finely's future status with the team still
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#2 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 6:21:42 PM(UTC)
Nice FYI about TEs, but basically irrelevant to the Packers IMNHO.
buckeyepackfan  
#3 Posted : Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:02:06 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Nice FYI about TEs, but basically irrelevant to the Packers IMNHO.


Why Irrelevant?

Depending on how the players fall from 1-20, Ebron may be the best available option for Ted to take.

Nobody knows how this draft is going to go.

I don't think ted will "reach for a defensive player, it there is a huge run on them from 1-20.

I will go as far to say that Ted could even go WR if one of the top 3 for some reason falls to 21.

A good GM is prepared for anything, and IMHO, The Packers have one of the best.

No position is irrelevant when it comes to this years draft with the potential talent at many positions.
play2win  
#4 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 5:39:58 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Why Irrelevant?

Depending on how the players fall from 1-20, Ebron may be the best available option for Ted to take.

Nobody knows how this draft is going to go.

I don't think ted will "reach for a defensive player, it there is a huge run on them from 1-20.

I will go as far to say that Ted could even go WR if one of the top 3 for some reason falls to 21.

A good GM is prepared for anything, and IMHO, The Packers have one of the best.

No position is irrelevant when it comes to this years draft with the potential talent at many positions.


I agree. This draft seems loaded with great options should it fall one way or another, offense or defense, skill players v. linemen, etc. Our options at 21 and 53 should be pretty great, all the way through 85 and 98...

While I am not wild about Ted possibly taking a TE in R1, I won't begrudge him if that is his choice there. A top flight TE can go a very long way towards moving the chains in this offense, while keeping the opposing offense on the sidelines. That alone will help our D out, by keeping drives alive and avoiding three and outs. Not to mention, the added weapons for Rodgers to score. I think if we get Ebron at 21 that would have to be considered a steal, and we could pretty much pound defenders with the majority of our remaining picks. 4 or 5 of our 9 picks spent on defense should go a long way to improving this team.
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#5 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 5:45:50 AM(UTC)
yeah yeah yeah ....... the Packers don't need no stinkin' TE in the 1st round - or the 2nd or the 3rd or the 4th.
isocleas2  
#6 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 6:46:54 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
yeah yeah yeah ....... the Packers don't need no stinkin' TE in the 1st round - or the 2nd or the 3rd or the 4th.


We have one of the worst groups of TEs in the NFL without Finley. A bunch of street free agents and late draft picks does not make a contender. With our offense becoming more balanced the TE position is even more important since we'll be using more 2 TE formations. If Ted Thompson doesn't take one in the first 4 rounds I'll be shocked.
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#7 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 7:24:13 AM(UTC)
isocleas2 said: Go to Quoted Post
We have one of the worst groups of TEs in the NFL without Finley. A bunch of street free agents and late draft picks does not make a contender. With our offense becoming more balanced the TE position is even more important since we'll be using more 2 TE formations. If Ted Thompson doesn't take one in the first 4 rounds I'll be shocked.


I like what I see from Quarless better than the way Finley played. There's reason to hope Bostick or even Stoneburner will be good too, and Taylor fill his role well enough.

The bottom line, though, is that the best TEs now and in the past were NOT the hot shots coming out of college who got drafted high, but the Graham, Gates, Witten, Gronkowski (fairly high - late 2nd), Ben Coates, Shannon Sharpe, all the way back to John Mackey - mostly unknowns or low round picks. I'd rather Thompson scan the list of Power Forwards not good enough for the NBA than use a high round pick for a TE.

Mucky Tundra  
#8 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 9:33:18 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
yeah yeah yeah ....... the Packers don't need no stinkin' TE in the 1st round - or the 2nd or the 3rd or the 4th.


texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post

The bottom line, though, is that the best TEs now and in the past were NOT the hot shots coming out of college who got drafted high, but the Graham, Gates, Witten, Gronkowski (fairly high - late 2nd), Ben Coates, Shannon Sharpe, all the way back to John Mackey - mostly unknowns or low round picks. I'd rather Thompson scan the list of Power Forwards not good enough for the NBA than use a high round pick for a TE.



Round, overall pick

Modern Era: Tight Ends (8) (as listed at the HOF website)
Dave Casper 1974-1984 2nd Round, #45
Mike Ditka 1961-1972 1st Round, #5
John Mackey 1963-1972 2nd Round, #19
Ozzie Newsome 1978-1990 1st Round, #23
Charlie Sanders 1968-1977 3rd Round, #74
Shannon Sharpe 1990-2003 7th Round, #192
Jackie Smith 1963-1978 10th Round, #129
Kellen Winslow 1979-1987 1st Round, #13

Gets skewed somewhat with the smaller number of teams. Mackey would have gone in the 1st round if drafted in the same spot today. Likewise, Jackie Smith goes in the 4th round today. Even going by the old numbering, you get the average of Round 3.375. Putting Mackey and Smith in their modern draft spots, you get Round 2.5, #62.5 overall.

Players you listed
Jimmy Graham 3rd Round, #95
Antonio Gates UDFA
Jason Witten 3rd Round, #69
Rob Gronkowski 2nd Round, #42
Ben Coates 5th Round, #124

Assigned Gates 8 for draft round and #257 for overall draft position (the most draft picks in one draft the past five years was 256 picks in 09), you come to Round 4.2, #117.4 overall.

Pro Bowlers from the past 5 years
Jordan Cameron 4th Round, #102
Jason Witten 3rd Round, #69 X4
Jimmy Graham 3rd Round, #95 X2
Tony Gonzalez 1st Round, #13 X4
Rob Gronkowski 2nd Round, #42 X2
Antonio Gates UDFA X3
Aaron Hernandez 4th Round, #113
Jermaine Gresham 1st Round, #12 X2
Mercedes Lewis 1st Round, #28
Zach Miller, 2nd Round, #38
Dallas Clark, 1st Round, #24
Heath Miller, 1st Round, #30 X2
Vernon Davis, 1st Round, #6 X2
Kyle Rudolph, 2nd Round, #43
Julius Thomas, 4th Round, #129

Same number values for Gates as before. Included the number of times selected but didn't weigh those numbers extra for the sake of simplicity. Somebody more mathematically inclined could take a stab at it if they want to.
Round 2.53, #66.73 overall

Green Bays picks this year
Round 2, #53
Round 3, #85
Round 3, #98 (comp)
Round 4, #121


Going by your criteria and not selecting a TE in the first 4 rounds, you've got Jackie Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Ben Coates and Antonio Gates to choose from. Not a bad group, but you've just eliminated 88% of the possible TEs mentioned above. Will we for sure get a Pro Bowler or a future Hall of Famer at those picks? No, but it sure seems if you want quality at the TE spot you gotta pay for it.
porky88  
#9 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 2:50:18 PM(UTC)
Here's a look at my reports on the tight ends.

I'm very high on Austin Seferian-Jenkins. He reminds me a lot of Rob Gronkowski. It doesn't mean he's the next Gronk, but I think he could be special in Green Bay’s offense.


play2win  
#10 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 2:55:31 PM(UTC)
Anybody heard of this guy? Former Army Ranger Alejandro Villanueva? 6-9 270 TE who played at West Point?

http://www.sports-refere...jandro-villanueva-1.html
http://www.nfl.com/news/...giving-nfl-one-last-shot

Seems like a good prospect who would be raw, but I'm sure he would be committed to learning and giving his all. Can you imagine this guy as a target in the red zone for Aaron? He would be tough to cover, especially after a couple of seasons of development.

Can you imagine him on STs blocking kicks? Oh, man! I think he would be worth taking a flyer on.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#11 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 3:39:33 PM(UTC)
Mucky, I yield to your stats hahahaha.

I still have a high opinion of Quarless, though, and I would be highly pissed if Ted took a TE in the first or second round when we need Safetys and ILBs so much worse.

P2W, that guy musta grown like David Robinson, considering the academies' size limits.
buckeyepackfan  
#12 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 4:18:49 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
yeah yeah yeah ....... the Packers don't need no stinkin' TE in the 1st round - or the 2nd or the 3rd or the 4th.


Considering your track record of what The Packers need or don't need, I can almost guarantee that Ted WILL draft a TE with the 21st pick in the draft!!!!

[laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

I just hope it's Ebron, he is the only TE rated high enough to be considered at #21.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#13 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 10:31:43 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Considering your track record of what The Packers need or don't need, I can almost guarantee that Ted WILL draft a TE with the 21st pick in the draft!!!!

[laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

I just hope it's Ebron, he is the only TE rated high enough to be considered at #21.


Oh Really hahahaha. Do I detect a note of bitterness?

For the record, I got the #1 correct last season, and I got the position correct the two previous years. Not many hit Perry and Sherrod by name. How about you?

I am stating my prediction clearly right here - Safety and Clinton-Dix. Are you REALLY going on record with TE and Ebron? Seriously?

Rockmolder  
#14 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 11:51:54 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh Really hahahaha. Do I detect a note of bitterness?

For the record, I got the #1 correct last season, and I got the position correct the two previous years. Not many hit Perry and Sherrod by name. How about you?

I am stating my prediction clearly right here - Safety and Clinton-Dix. Are you REALLY going on record with TE and Ebron? Seriously?



Bold prediction. There are very few scenarios in which I see Clinton-Dix falling past the Rams, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, Jets and the Cardinals.

And that's without a team like the Eagles jumping in front of us to nab him away.

I wouldn't mind drafting a TE if the right one falls to 21. Ebron is a ridiculously talented player. Too good to fall to 21, really.
steveishere  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:25:10 AM(UTC)
I'm not really a huge fan of TE. Unless you get a really well-rounded or complete guy (which seems rare) you are really just getting someone who even if he's pretty good is probably going to produce as a receiver like a #3 or #4 possession WR. A good receiving TE just seems to me like more of a luxury position and not something you really need. I would rather land a guy like Jordan Matthews than any of the TEs in this draft. If there's a TE who can be a decent receiving threat but is also a great blocker I could get on board with that early but I'm not buying all the hype lately for these "receiving only" TEs.
joemailman  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35:09 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Bold prediction. There are very few scenarios in which I see Clinton-Dix falling past the Rams, Bears, Steelers, Ravens, Jets and the Cardinals.

And that's without a team like the Eagles jumping in front of us to nab him away.

I wouldn't mind drafting a TE if the right one falls to 21. Ebron is a ridiculously talented player. Too good to fall to 21, really.


I agree about Dix. He's as good as gone, probably to the Bears. I wonder if Ted Thompson has a 1st round grade on Pryor. I'm guessing not.
play2win  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:12:16 AM(UTC)
Personally, I can't see Clinton-Dix or Ebron there at 21. I don't think we take a TE in R1 as a result. Doesn't mean Ted won't take one later, and there are a handful of really good ones that will be available R2 and later.

I think with our new running game after having drafted Lacy last year, the dynamics of TE play may have changed in GB. I like Quarless a lot, and would not be surprised to see Bostick and Stoneburner develop into solid players. Quarless is a great blocker, and maybe the other two develop further in that dept. I question how great a need TE is for GB, but adding another into the mix who offers both receiving ability and solid blocking capabilities wouldn't hurt.
beast  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 5:30:30 PM(UTC)

I love Troy Niklas' potential, you never now if a guy will live up to his potential, but Niklas is already one of the better blockers with potential to get better, as a receiver he's very raw but he has all the physical tools and growing and getting better as a receiver.
buckeyepackfan  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2014 7:05:16 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh Really hahahaha. Do I detect a note of bitterness?

For the record, I got the #1 correct last season, and I got the position correct the two previous years. Not many hit Perry and Sherrod by name. How about you?

I am stating my prediction clearly right here - Safety and Clinton-Dix. Are you REALLY going on record with TE and Ebron? Seriously?



Where did I make a prediction?

You stated the TE position is irrelevant.

I'm saying that there are only so many players that Ted has rated as #21 worthy.

If for some reason all those players go early, BECASUE AS I SAID NOBODY KNOWS HOW THE DRAFT IS GOING TO UNFOLD, and Ebron is still on the board at 21, and is the BPA(on The Packers Board), then Ted will probably take him.

You said The Packers didn't need Raji, a week later they resigned him, you said The Packers didn't need matt Flynn, hmmm somebody signed today.

I could go back and list several more players you have deemed expendable, but for some reason Ted has decided to bring them back.

That is what I meant by your track record, you don't want them on The Team, Ted resigns them.

You say TE is irrelevant, I say There's a good chance Ted drafts one because your recent track record shows that you and Ted are not on the same page.(thankfully).

You got the 1st pick right last year?

Hell go back and check, I listed the final 53 man roster last year before FA started and got 42 of the names right.

The lesson, anybody can get lucky.
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