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Offline nerdmann  
#1 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:29:01 AM(UTC)
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Ranking Thompson's best, worst 1st-round picks

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That huge whiff on the No. 16 overall pick, along with the Packers’ inability to get much production from their last three first-rounders — Derek Sherrod in 2011, Nick Perry in 2012 and Datone Jones in 2013 — leaves the impression Thompson hasn’t been very successful in Round 1.


Harrell was a calculated gamble. Sometimes you do that. But let's face it. The problem here is INJURIES. These guys can all play, at LEAST as well as AJ Hawk.

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Both missed on linemen, with Thompson’s selection of Sherrod looking a lot like Wolf’s choice of John Michels. And Wolf matched Thompson’s Harrell stinker with the drafting of bust Jamal Reynolds.


Bullshit and bullshit. John Micheals, "the thinking man's LT," just couldn't play. He was a converted defensive lineman who had ONE year on offense. Sherrod just shattered the hell out of his leg. And let's face it, trying to make him play G was stupid. As for Jamal Reynolds, he just didn't have it. Harrell was a calculated gamble, as I stated above. But it wasn't a question of whether he could play. The question was whether he could stay healthy.

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Thompson also has made the majority of his first-round picks later in the round, when talented players are harder to find.

Seven of Wolf’s 12 first-round picks were No. 19 or earlier, while just three of Thompson’s 11 first-rounders were that early, assuming the Packers don’t trade up this year.


Huge factor. Much easier to get a guy in the top 15 than at the bottom of the round.

FACT. Keep these guys healthy, and suddenly Ted looks like the genius he is.

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#2 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:51:37 AM(UTC)
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I don't want a GM to take a "calculated risk" in the first round. Not really in the 2nd round either. Risk taking is for the 4th round and later.

Harrell was just a horrible pick. Period. Everyone knew he was an injury risk. Everyone. IF he would have been healthy he was suppose to be a top pick but if he is not healthy he wasn't even a 3rd round pick.

As so many have pointed out it was hardly a tough choice to take Aaron. He was by far the BPA. While QB was not an immediate need for the upcoming season, QB was a need as they had to start to develop Brett's replacement.

Ted's best pick was trading back into the first the pick up CM3. The players that were taken with GB's picks were Darius Butler, Derek Cox and Brandon Tate. Now if NE selected Jairus Byrd and Mike Wallace instead of Butler andTate maybe we would grade the deal differently. (Cox drafted by Jacksonville in a trade with NE.) This proves what I have been saying for years. Trading up for a stud player is better than trading down to get 2-3 average quality players.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:01:36 PM(UTC)
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I don't want a GM to take a "calculated risk" in the first round. Not really in the 2nd round either. Risk taking is for the 4th round and later.

Harrell was just a horrible pick. Period. Everyone knew he was an injury risk. Everyone. IF he would have been healthy he was suppose to be a top pick but if he is not healthy he wasn't even a 3rd round pick.

As so many have pointed out it was hardly a tough choice to take Aaron. He was by far the BPA. While QB was not an immediate need for the upcoming season, QB was a need as they had to start to develop Brett's replacement.

Ted's best pick was trading back into the first the pick up CM3. The players that were taken with GB's picks were Darius Butler, Derek Cox and Brandon Tate. Now if NE selected Jairus Byrd and Mike Wallace instead of Butler andTate maybe we would grade the deal differently. (Cox drafted by Jacksonville in a trade with NE.) This proves what I have been saying for years. Trading up for a stud player is better than trading down to get 2-3 average quality players.


So you'd rather have Ted only take "safe" players, like AJ Hawk?
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#4 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:17:13 PM(UTC)
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Harrell was a horrible pick but he wasn't Ahmad Carroll. At least it is supossed in theoretical physics that an uninjured Harrell could have played well.

AJ Hawk was a mandatory average pick.

The move for CM3 was really brilliant.

Rodgers was gutsy.

The best pick Ted has done so far for me was Jordy he got the best player of the whole draft in the 2nd round.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:20:06 PM(UTC)
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So you'd rather have Ted only take "safe" players, like AJ Hawk?


yes I wanted Ted to take Hawk. He was clearly the BPA according the vast majority of experts. It was a need for GB as well. Good fit. People also knew he was not going to be a HoFer.

Yes in the first round as I said, maybe I need to use little words for you, I don't want to take players who are a risk. Not even at #32. There are more than 30 young men who are capable of playing, even starting, in the NFL. Don't reach for a "might be" in round 1.
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yes I wanted Ted to take Hawk. He was clearly the BPA according the vast majority of experts. It was a need for GB as well. Good fit. People also knew he was not going to be a HoFer.

Yes in the first round as I said, maybe I need to use little words for you, I don't want to take players who are a risk. Not even at #32. There are more than 30 young men who are capable of playing, even starting, in the NFL. Don't reach for a "might be" in round 1.


So I guess you hate the Clay Matthews pick then.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:46:02 PM(UTC)
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So I guess you hate the Clay Matthews pick then.


I have no idea why you are saying that. I already said Clay was the best #1 pick.

I said moving up for a better quality player works out better than moving down, usually.

We are not discussing whether or not Ted should have done something else with his picks. Just rating the first round picks that he made.

And whether or not you like Hawk he has set or will set the all time tackling record for GB. I guess that makes him a little better than average even if they have not kept the stat for the past 100 years.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:49:04 PM(UTC)
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I have no idea why you are saying that. I already said Clay was the best #1 pick.

I said moving up for a better quality player works out better than moving down, usually.

We are not discussing whether or not Ted should have done something else with his picks. Just rating the first round picks that he made.

And whether or not you like Hawk he has set or will set the all time tackling record for GB. I guess that makes him a little better than average even if they have not kept the stat for the past 100 years.


I said it, because it was risky to trade back up like that.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:13:00 PM(UTC)
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I said it, because it was risky to trade back up like that.


no CM3 was a solid pick. He may not have had 3 years as an All American but there was plenty of film on what he could do.

Look every single player is a risk. They could not stretch out and rip the hammy. They could get hit by a bus. He could be kidnapped and turned into Taliban love slave. Any thing could happen but in reality not very likely.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, April 20, 2014 3:49:47 PM(UTC)
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no CM3 was a solid pick. He may not have had 3 years as an All American but there was plenty of film on what he could do.

Look every single player is a risk. They could not stretch out and rip the hammy. They could get hit by a bus. He could be kidnapped and turned into Taliban love slave. Any thing could happen but in reality not very likely.


Wow man, so you know ahead of time that Clay was gonna pan out like he did.

Perhaps you'd care to name the top 5 pro bowlers in this years draft? I'm gonna be putting together my board soon, could use the insight.
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