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Offline wpr  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:01:20 PM(UTC)
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dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
Stretching does suck. I would imagine that it is very hard to enforce on young athletes. That being said, I think we need a very enforced regimen, though I admit that I do not know if it was already in place. I think it's possibly the hardest thing to get a young man to do.


you are probably right. In high school I recall a coach walking every line of players. Perhaps they watched a couple of lines. The HC stood and looked over the whole team. They already know who goes through the motions and who gives it the full effort. The big tubbies are probably some of the worst offenders while the backs and wrs are generally more dedicated. These days they can put someone in the tower to watch. they can film it and chew the players out one on one or in team meetings as they see fit.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:04:59 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I have a problem with folks always trying to medicate or apply bandaids to things. My perception is, find the source, find the root cause and fix that and everything else will flow well down stream.

Example. You're getting headaches three or four times a week. Most will load up on painpills. I think that is wrong. Go in, get checked out and find the root cause of your headaches. Fix the root of the problem.

I've said this before too. I watched two or three training camp practices last season and I was appalled by the effort during the stretches. Any trainer worth his/her weight in salt will tell you that the warm-up and stretch are the most important parts to any workout.

The Packers players didn't seem to care about stretching whatsoever. The quad stretches were poor. The bending for hamstring stretches was a joke. It was more or less just lean and go into the next 'stretch'. When you stretch, you really need to feel it for it to be effective.


This is probably the most true post I have seen in quite some time Zero. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:37:44 AM(UTC)
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Eight players didn't practice because of apparent injuries though the Packers don't have to reveal injury information in the off season..

Players injured are : OG Josh Sitton missed some practices in the offseason because of sore back, WR Chris Harper has ham-string injury, OLB Clay Mathews is coming off thumb surgery, RB Johnathon Franklin is coming off of a neck injury last season

Other players injured are LB Nick Perry, TE Andrew Quarless , DL Jerel Worthy
and , CB Jumal Rollie

Source; Green Bay Press-Gazette- Wednesday June 18, 2014 by Pete Dougherty- Press- Gazette media
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 7:46:00 AM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I will agree with all until you get to the trainer. The $50-60-80,000 a year guy will not be able to consistently get the $1,000,000-5,000,000 22 year old kids.

It is Mike's job to either stand out there and enforce the proper stretching techniques or to have one of the coaches maybe even one from the offense and one from the defense out there.


I will have to disagree. It is the trainers responsibility to motivate his/her trainee's. That is the purpose of a trainer. If we all had the motivation and commitment to workout on our own, why would anyone need trainers?

You as the trainer find a way, you don't make excuses. You find a way to get your trainees to do it properly. The trainer is the expert in this regard and they absolutely have to be assertive. The trainer has to get them on the same page as them. If that means making a deal with them, so be it. You have to display confidence in what you're preaching.

If you're going to expect the Head Coach to do the Trainers job, what is the purpose of the trainer? The head coach needs to be the head coach, not the trainer.


If the trainer isn't able to get to the million dollar kids, then find a new trainer that can do their job effectively.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:36:38 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I will have to disagree. It is the trainers responsibility to motivate his/her trainee's. That is the purpose of a trainer. If we all had the motivation and commitment to workout on our own, why would anyone need trainers?

You as the trainer find a way, you don't make excuses. You find a way to get your trainees to do it properly. The trainer is the expert in this regard and they absolutely have to be assertive. The trainer has to get them on the same page as them. If that means making a deal with them, so be it. You have to display confidence in what you're preaching.

If you're going to expect the Head Coach to do the Trainers job, what is the purpose of the trainer? The head coach needs to be the head coach, not the trainer.


If the trainer isn't able to get to the million dollar kids, then find a new trainer that can do their job effectively.


If the Packers are gonna include salary bonuses for offseason workouts, surely they could include a clause for stretching or doing yoga of some sort.

Incentives for not having a pulled fucking hammy.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:56:25 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I will have to disagree. It is the trainers responsibility to motivate his/her trainee's. That is the purpose of a trainer. If we all had the motivation and commitment to workout on our own, why would anyone need trainers?

You as the trainer find a way, you don't make excuses. You find a way to get your trainees to do it properly. The trainer is the expert in this regard and they absolutely have to be assertive. The trainer has to get them on the same page as them. If that means making a deal with them, so be it. You have to display confidence in what you're preaching.

If you're going to expect the Head Coach to do the Trainers job, what is the purpose of the trainer? The head coach needs to be the head coach, not the trainer.


If the trainer isn't able to get to the million dollar kids, then find a new trainer that can do their job effectively.


I am not saying that Mike has to do the trainer's job. I am not saying the trainer (s) don't have a program in place. What I am saying is even if they get down in the face of a player there are 90 of them in TC it is difficult to be all places at one time and if the HC doesn't show up to verify that this is a priority there are some players who will not give it the attention it deserves. Once again it doesn't have to be the HC. Mike can designate it to position coaches to watch their group. The trainer isn't their to look for compliance. he is there to make sure they have the correct technique. They the player is going to his fullest range when stretching.

How many young kids think they are "bullet proof" so to speak? Most. Athletes even more so. Athletes that make it to the pros have had a higher degree of luck when it comes to avoiding injuries than other players. I am not saying none of them have ever had an injury. I am saying that, as a group, they have had less. None of those who have been injured have had a career ending injury. Obviously. Because of their greater resilience to injury there is going to be a degree of apathy to stretching. After all they have not needed to do so for the past 10-15 years so why start now?

A few years ago Mike made ST a priority. He actually showed up for ST practice and low and behold the ST group got better. The last few years has been different because of the player turnover they have not had the same quality on ST as they had in the past. Point is when the HC makes it a priority the players do too.
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post

A few years ago Mike made ST a priority. He actually showed up for ST practice and low and behold the ST group got better. The last few years has been different because of the player turnover they have not had the same quality on ST as they had in the past. Point is when the HC makes it a priority the players do too.


This year Mike is making the defense a priority.

He SAYS he's making hammy's a priority, but clearly he is not. I submit that injuries are a bigger factor keeping us from the big show than the defense. Just my own two cents.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:02:12 PM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
If the Packers are gonna include salary bonuses for offseason workouts, surely they could include a clause for stretching or doing yoga of some sort.

Incentives for not having a pulled fucking hammy.


like to see that ... 20k bonus not to have a pulled hammy, and ACL tears - 1/2 your pay. Back injuries a beating ... and neck injuries - you get to be the training dummie for a week.

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:07:33 PM(UTC)
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Bryan Engel, Assistant Athletic Trainer
Kurt Fielding, Assistant Athletic Trainer
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These are their trainers ...

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This is their head trainer.

Heck - Id like to move back to the states. Wonder how much they pay to get kids to stretch their hammys; prob better then what I am making here.

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 18, 2014 1:34:51 PM(UTC)
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like to see that ... 20k bonus not to have a pulled hammy, and ACL tears - 1/2 your pay. Back injuries a beating ... and neck injuries - you get to be the training dummie for a week.



10K per yoga session, something like that. As for neck injuries, 10k per acupuncture treatment.
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