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Offline sschind  
#11 Posted : Friday, July 4, 2014 7:18:34 AM(UTC)
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I took the passer rating of every QB that qualified for a career in the NFL going back to 1940. Then I deducted the average passer rating of the entire NFL during that players career from his rating. It gave me a ranking of how far above average each QB is as far as passing efficiency.

The reason I did that is there is no way you can realisticly compare players from different eras. Even going back to Favre's era, the average passer rating for his entire career is below 80. Today it is about 86. So comparing Favre to today's QB, you should raise his rating by 6.

In the 1940s when Don Hutson basically invented the WR position and they ussered in the moder passing game, the average rating was in the upper 40s. It has been increasing fairly steadily until today. There are so many rule, equipment, fitness, medical care, scheme and other changes that there isn't a reasonable way to compare. Just going from no black players to integration was a huge change.

Here is my top 25 and how far they were above average.

Rank Quarterback QBPRD
1 Sid Luckman+ 25.80
2 Sammy Baugh+ 22.02
3 Otto Graham+ 22.00
4 Aaron Rodgers 21.78
5 Steve Young+ 20.55
6 Roger Staubach+ 17.75
7 Joe Montana+ 17.40
8 Tommy Thompson 17.30
9 Norm Van Brocklin+ 16.00
10 Len Dawson+ 15.55
11 Sonny Jurgensen+ 15.47
12 Tom Brady 14.82
13 Peyton Manning 14.47
14 George Ratterman 13.81
15 Bart Starr+ 13.46
16 Kurt Warner 13.43
17 Fran Tarkenton+ 13.28
18 Ken Anderson 12.73
19 Tony Romo 12.51
20 Drew Brees 12.22
21 Philip Rivers 11.41
22 Johnny Unitas+ 11.32
23 Y.A. Tittle+ 11.19
24 Bob Griese+ 10.57
25 Bob Berry 10.41

I also do not give any credit for championships. If that were the case, Dilfer would be better than Marino.


Is this really your list of the top 25 qbs or is it just the results of your particular manipulation and analysis of the stats (passer rating)?

Do you really consider Tommy Thompson and George Ratterman and maybe 15 of the other QBs you have ranked ahead of him to be better than Johnny Unitas?

I understand you are trying to be objective and that's OK as far as it goes but objectivity does have its limits and if this is truly YOUR list of the top 25 QBs you are nuts.

Besides, I didn't even know the former governor of Wisconsin played pro football[grin1]
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Offline Wade  
#12 Posted : Friday, July 4, 2014 9:14:16 AM(UTC)
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Ken Anderson -- now there is one I forgot. i wouldn't put him in my top 10, but I would put him on the All-Underrated list. Man, he was good.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, July 5, 2014 6:34:16 AM(UTC)
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sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Is this really your list of the top 25 qbs or is it just the results of your particular manipulation and analysis of the stats (passer rating)?

Do you really consider Tommy Thompson and George Ratterman and maybe 15 of the other QBs you have ranked ahead of him to be better than Johnny Unitas?

I understand you are trying to be objective and that's OK as far as it goes but objectivity does have its limits and if this is truly YOUR list of the top 25 QBs you are nuts.

Besides, I didn't even know the former governor of Wisconsin played pro football[grin1]


There are actually 3 on the list that don't belong. Thompson, Ratterman and Berry. It was supposed to filter out all QBs with under 1500 attempst because that is the cut off point for an official career.

I havae to check why they made it through the filter.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:45:08 PM(UTC)
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Peyton Manning was rated the best player in the NFL last year. Rodgers was 11th. How much of that had to do with the health of our respective offensive lines? There is a lot to this game .
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Offline OlHoss1884  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:05:52 PM(UTC)
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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
Ken Anderson -- now there is one I forgot. i wouldn't put him in my top 10, but I would put him on the All-Underrated list. Man, he was good.


He was the original West Coast QB...Bill Walsh was the OC under Paul Brown who made him into what he was.

Offline OlHoss1884  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:10:23 PM(UTC)
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On the issue of titles...Dan Marino couldn't cover Jerry Rice for squat. If that loser could cover, tackle or catch, he would have had a few rings but all he could do is throw.

Keep in mind that even the great Tom Brady won 3 rings when his defense was loaded and the Patriots had a running game. As much as a QB leads his team and impoacts the game, he's not the only thing a team needs to win.

Otto Graham had Marion Motley and a stud defense. The Steelers has the Steel Curtain and Joe Montana has an all-Madden team all around him.

There are QB with titles who were certainly good...Griese, for example, but whose teams won it all because they had a lot more going for them.
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