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Offline beast  
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:23:20 PM(UTC)
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uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, you could look at it that it's pretty sad your most physically gifted player arrived on a tryout not in the 1st round.


I think I figured out why you dislike Thompson so much (or at least one of the reasons)... you want the best physically gifted guys... where as Thompson wants the best football players... of course I assume you're going to point out the best physically gifted guys should be the best football players, but I would point out a number of players have proven that idea wrong.

I still strongly remember after the 2007 draft, fans seemed to STRONGLY dislike that Thompson wasted a 3rd round draft pick on a WR that ran a 4.6 ... but were a bit alright with it because he drafted a speed demon WR that ran a sub 4.4 who would make up for him....

That wasted pick... was WR James Jones. The speed demon was David Clowney... just because they're more athletic doesn't mean they're the better football player. Though to be fair to Clowney, I think I heard he lead the NFL in receiver yards during the preseason 3 straight years with the Jets (kept giving the Jets fans hope...).

uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Why he is considered such a long shot is beyond me. It is more than his off field stuff that people seem to discredit him for. Being out of football etc give some the idea he has little chance.



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It's not just his off the field stuff that kept him from being drafted. It was probably missing a year of football and the fact that he never really put together a good season in college like he was expected to do


That's a big part of it... a lot of the Lyerla hype is being he flashes a ton of potential... but he hasn't really taken that potential and turned it into a consistent dominant player, which clearly he has that potential to do but he hasn't really taken over a game.

Lyerla has the raw potential to be amazing, the reason I think people are doubting is because his lack of progress in developing that raw talent... of course if it was simply a mental thing and now he's got it together... he might be able to flip the switch right away... but I think most people are thinking it's going to take time.



uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Who does your description sound like? I would say it sounds very similar to Sam Shields. What did Sam do at THE U to be able to make this team? He was a converted WR and not a very good one.


Yeah I agree a bit... but there are some big differences between the two... Shields switch positions VERY VERY late in college and had one year under his belt... where Lyerla is playing the same position as he through out college. Also I think Lyerla has better coaching than Shields did... or at least I assume since his head coach became an NFL head coach, that they're good coaches, where I strongly questioned Shields coaches down in Miami... they had a lot of physical talented guys and almost none of them were developing much it seemed for a while down there.
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#12 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 8:20:20 AM(UTC)
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uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, you could look at it that it's pretty sad your most physically gifted player arrived on a tryout not in the 1st round.

I think it also speaks to the fact we have such a dearth of talent at TE that we were the only team in the NFL desperate enough to touch him. I give Ted Thompson kudos for acknowledging how brutal our TE situation is and giving this guy a go.






Yeah, I know I would be happier if we had taken him in the first round? Maybe it's a testament to Teds ability to know that no one else would touch him so why risk anything more than he absolutely had to.

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#13 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:07:22 AM(UTC)
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Manziel may become a greater QB than either Manning.
Michael Sam may become a better DL than Howie Long.
Richard Sherman may change sides and become a better WR than Deion.
Green Bay Packers may change their name to the Eastern WI Drunken Palefaces.
Brett Favre may be hired as the 2015 Head Coach of the Packers.
There is no end in the things that might happen.

This Lyerla hysteria is annoying. 32 teams spent millions of dollars to scout players. Not a single team used one of the 256 draft picks to select him. Teams picked players with broken bones, rebuilt knees, and Marijuana issues. The Rams selected a player that they knew would bring a media circus to town. Yet not one team picked Lyerla. Is it because NFL teams don't want to win? Is it becuase all 32 teams accidentally left him off their draft board? Does this forum really believe that we are individually much smarter than all of the professional scouts and team management? HE HAS MAJOR ISSUES. We don't know how bad they are, but for 32 teams to pass, they are major. The odds for him to even make the roster are about 1:20. The odds for him to be a player of major impact about 1:300. But it can happen.
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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#14 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:30:24 AM(UTC)
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QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
Manziel may become a greater QB than either Manning.
Michael Sam may become a better DL than Howie Long.
Richard Sherman may change sides and become a better WR than Deion.
Green Bay Packers may change their name to the Eastern WI Drunken Palefaces.
Brett Favre may be hired as the 2015 Head Coach of the Packers.
There is no end in the things that might happen.

This Lyerla hysteria is annoying. 32 teams spent millions of dollars to scout players. Not a single team used one of the 256 draft picks to select him. Teams picked players with broken bones, rebuilt knees, and Marijuana issues. The Rams selected a player that they knew would bring a media circus to town. Yet not one team picked Lyerla. Is it because NFL teams don't want to win? Is it becuase all 32 teams accidentally left him off their draft board? Does this forum really believe that we are individually much smarter than all of the professional scouts and team management? HE HAS MAJOR ISSUES. We don't know how bad they are, but for 32 teams to pass, they are major. The odds for him to even make the roster are about 1:20. The odds for him to be a player of major impact about 1:300. But it can happen.



The odds can be better for a player with behavior issues. Teams may not want to risk the problems and pass on the talent.

So the odds may be more if he can stay out of trouble than if he can be as good of a player.

He may be a great player but not have a great career. If Gronk can't stay healthy, he may be in the same category, but for a different reason.
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sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, I know I would be happier if we had taken him in the first round? Maybe it's a testament to Teds ability to know that no one else would touch him so why risk anything more than he absolutely had to.



I don't understand why anyone would dislike the fact that our "most physically gifted player" was a tryout player instead of a top pick. I thought the point of the draft, undrafted free-agency, and the tryout process was to acquire as much talent as possible while spending as little as possible. If he pans out this would be a huge bargain, which last time I checked is nothing to be disappointed about.

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#16 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 1:08:12 PM(UTC)
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StoicFire said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't understand why anyone would dislike the fact that our "most physically gifted player" was a tryout player instead of a top pick. I thought the point of the draft, undrafted free-agency, and the tryout process was to acquire as much talent as possible while spending as little as possible. If he pans out this would be a huge bargain, which last time I checked is nothing to be disappointed about.



If a UDFA is our most physically gifted player, then Ted Thompson and scouting staff should be fired...

I find it hard to believe that if he had that much talent, all 32 teams would completely ignore him for 7 rounds. Let's see where he is come August 29. I may be wrong. But then so would 320 scouts and front office personnel.
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#17 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 1:20:03 PM(UTC)
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If a UDFA is our most physically gifted player, then Ted Thompson and scouting staff should be fired...

I find it hard to believe that if he had that much talent, all 32 teams would completely ignore him for 7 rounds. Let's see where he is come August 29. I may be wrong. But then so would 320 scouts and front office personnel.


One can point to Bart Starr how many rounds did other franchise miss on him? Donald Driver? 7th rounder.

The Vikings John Randle...one of the best of all time. Undrafted. Sam Shields and Tramon Williams our two starting CB's the toughest position in all of football, both undrafted.

Colt Lyerla is the most exciting guy we drafted outside of maybe Jeff Janis for my money. Doesn't mean either will make the team or be anything if they do but they have special qualities about them. Sadly, we don't find enough guys with those when we actually draft guys. I was hoping we'd draft Lyerla. It was wise not to and end up with him anyway save for the fact it will be much easier to let him go because he wasn't a draft choice and the converse is also true.
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#18 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 1:34:43 PM(UTC)
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Don't confuse success with talent. Bart Starr was not a physical specimen. Tremendously successful! But not known as physically gifted. Same with everyone else you name. John Randle was not drafted because, and was initially cut by the Buccaneers for, being too small. If someone is thought to be too small, I would argue that they are not physically gifted. Doesn't mean they didn't turn into great players.

If the most successful player Ted Thompson found this year is a UDFA, great. But if the most physically gifted player is a UDFA, then our draft picks must stink. Because the draft process can identify physical talents. It can't identify if a player will develop those talents. 32 teams did not strongly believe that Colt can/ will develop.

The draft is not a perfect science. UDFA make rosters every year. But the odds are not in their favor. It's ok to be excited about our team. I am! But it seems some are ready to annoint Colt as not just the #1 TE, but the best receiver ARod will ever have. Before we retire his number, let's see if he can even make the roster.

Old enough to remember Mandarich? Ever seen a player look as physically gifted as he did on April 23, 1989? The NFL is about so much more than pure talent.
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#19 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 2:23:21 PM(UTC)
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uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
One can point to Bart Starr how many rounds did other franchise miss on him? Donald Driver? 7th rounder.

The Vikings John Randle...one of the best of all time. Undrafted. Sam Shields and Tramon Williams our two starting CB's the toughest position in all of football, both undrafted.

Colt Lyerla is the most exciting guy we drafted outside of maybe Jeff Janis for my money. Doesn't mean either will make the team or be anything if they do but they have special qualities about them. Sadly, we don't find enough guys with those when we actually draft guys. I was hoping we'd draft Lyerla. It was wise not to and end up with him anyway save for the fact it will be much easier to let him go because he wasn't a draft choice and the converse is also true.


Tom Brady and Kurt Warner come to mind, also.
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Brady was a 6th rd pick. Warner is a great example of what can happen. In order for odds to be 1:300, there does have to be a one.

Duane Bennett
Marc Tyler
Nicolas Cooper
Darius Reynolds
Dale Moss
Marcus Rivers
Cameron Ford
Eric Lair
Tyler Butzler
Tommy Draheim
Don Barclay
Jaymes Brooks
Drew Vanderlin
Jaymar Latchison
Dezman Moses
Sean Richardson
The above 16 players are the UDFA signed in 2012. Recognize many names? Those are Lyerla's peers. Not a projected starter for the Packers in the group. Vast majority did not survive camp in 2012. May be only 1 left after camp this year. Lyerla has a huge hill to climb.
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