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Offline wpr  
#16 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:51:15 AM(UTC)
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#17 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 8:12:26 AM(UTC)
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Here is my take on the whole thing. I was never that big of a Favre fan even when he was on the Packers. He made a lot of spectacular plays but he made a lot of bonehead plays as well. I was glad we had him as I think his good outweighed his bad but I never really bought into the whole aw shucks good old boy routine. Even at his peak when he was getting so much praise for being the Packers I kind of had a feeling that eventually the whole thing would crumble. That's why when he left it didn't bother me at all. He was no longer a Packer so I no longer cared about him. I didn't watch a single Jets game when he was the QB and the only vikings games I watched was when they played the Packers. He was just another player on another team to me and the only thing I cared about was how his performance affected the Packers.

Having said all that I do understand what he meant to the franchise. He may not have been the reason for the turnaround but he was the face of the turnaround and he will get a lions share of the credit and I am fine with that. In fact the more I hear people still pissing and moaning about him the more I like the guy. I used to collect Packers cards pretty heavily and I got any and all I could, Favre included, but now pretty much the only guy I actively seek out is Favre. I just think is weird that some people still hold that much of a grudge against him.

I have two favorite memories of Favre. The Raider game after his father passed away and the fact that I was at his very first start at Lambeau Field against the Steelers and I was at his very last start at Lambeau Field when the vikings visited the Packers.

If for some reason I happen to be at the game where the number retirement takes place I will cheer as my guess is 95% of the Packers fans will. The other 5%, to paraphrase nerdman in a previous post, "fuck them"
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#18 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:07:12 AM(UTC)
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Here is my take on the whole thing. I was never that big of a Favre fan even when he was on the Packers. He made a lot of spectacular plays but he made a lot of bonehead plays as well. I was glad we had him as I think his good outweighed his bad but I never really bought into the whole aw shucks good old boy routine. Even at his peak when he was getting so much praise for being the Packers I kind of had a feeling that eventually the whole thing would crumble. That's why when he left it didn't bother me at all. He was no longer a Packer so I no longer cared about him. I didn't watch a single Jets game when he was the QB and the only vikings games I watched was when they played the Packers. He was just another player on another team to me and the only thing I cared about was how his performance affected the Packers.

Having said all that I do understand what he meant to the franchise. He may not have been the reason for the turnaround but he was the face of the turnaround and he will get a lions share of the credit and I am fine with that. In fact the more I hear people still pissing and moaning about him the more I like the guy. I used to collect Packers cards pretty heavily and I got any and all I could, Favre included, but now pretty much the only guy I actively seek out is Favre. I just think is weird that some people still hold that much of a grudge against him.

I have two favorite memories of Favre. The Raider game after his father passed away and the fact that I was at his very first start at Lambeau Field against the Steelers and I was at his very last start at Lambeau Field when the vikings visited the Packers.

If for some reason I happen to be at the game where the number retirement takes place I will cheer as my guess is 95% of the Packers fans will. The other 5%, to paraphrase nerdman in a previous post, "fuck them"



I still can't understand why local channels were so eager to carry Jets games. It seemed so stupid to me. In retrospect I can't blame them for wanting to cash in on the favreites worship services.

Without trying to make this political, That is what is wrong these days. Way to much time is spent worry about the 5%. Who cares anyway? Did Braun get some boos when he came back? Sure he did. Did it die out after the people had a chance to express themselves? Yep. Did the world come to an end? Nope.

Some will cheer. Some will boo. It changes nothing. Let's move on.

If it is Brett that is waiting until everyone loves him again he will have a long wait.
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#19 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:43:20 AM(UTC)
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You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31964349.html

The sabotage deal was broken by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.

Several sources have told FOX Sports that Favre earlier this year phoned the Detroit Lions prior to their battle versus Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, and gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense. According to the sources, Favre actually spent over an hour on the phone with Lions coaches, who were connected with Favre by then-team president Matt Millen. Favre has allegedly done this with a number of teams.

My guess is that since he was talking with the Vikings at the time, by their own admission. They would beon of the "other teams". It isn't much of a stretch to say the Bears were offered a peak at the playbook also. But they probably turned him down.

Confirmed by Mike Florio and Jason Wilde. Reprinted by many news outlets.
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#20 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 11:00:30 AM(UTC)
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31964349.html

The sabotage deal was broken by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.

Several sources have told FOX Sports that Favre earlier this year phoned the Detroit Lions prior to their battle versus Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, and gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense. According to the sources, Favre actually spent over an hour on the phone with Lions coaches, who were connected with Favre by then-team president Matt Millen. Favre has allegedly done this with a number of teams.

My guess is that since he was talking with the Vikings at the time, by their own admission. They would beon of the "other teams". It isn't much of a stretch to say the Bears were offered a peak at the playbook also. But they probably turned him down.

Confirmed by Mike Florio and Jason Wilde. Reprinted by many news outlets.


So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.


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#21 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 11:06:40 AM(UTC)
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So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.




How many of these "other players" that you are referring to are going to have their number retired by the Packers? Zero.
How many of these other players are going to have their number retired by some other NFL franchise? Zero no doubt.
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#22 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 11:15:23 AM(UTC)
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How many of these "other players" that you are referring to are going to have their number retired by the Packers? Zero.
How many of these other players are going to have their number retired by some other NFL franchise? Zero no doubt.


Jerry Rice.
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#23 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 12:24:50 PM(UTC)
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Jerry Rice.


Well he is a bum of course.
You know for a fact that he ratted out his former team? You have documentation?
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#24 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 3:01:14 PM(UTC)
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Over the last year, I’ve re-watched 40 or so games (probably more) from 92-96. I’m actually currently in 1997. Simply put, people don't appreciate just how special of a quarterback Brett Favre was. Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman were bums without him. Sterling Sharpe had the best years of his career with Favre, who was incredibly raw at the time. Keith Jackson caught a career-high 10 touchdowns in '96, and he played with Dan Marino. No other Packer should wear the number four again. Period.

I think the vast majority of people have moved on, but like the people that booed Aaron Rodgers during the '08 training camp, the loud minority tends to receive a majority of attention. I think that's what is concerning the Packers. I don't blame them or Favre for waiting. Reggie White retired after 2000 and they retired his number in ‘05. That’s five years. Favre’s going into year three of retirement. There is plenty of time.

I’ll echo what WPR mentioned. He should return a few times before getting his number retired. Alumni Weekend might be a good option.

Another thing to consider is that 2016 marks the 20-year anniversary of the 1996 Green Bay Packers. I wonder if that's not an appropriate time to hold such a ceremony, though I suppose you don’t want to takeaway from the other returning players. You know they’ll do something special to honor that team. Favre should be apart of it.
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#25 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 7:03:58 PM(UTC)
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So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.





People expect you to tell your new team about the team you used to be on. But going to the opponents of your old team and helping them out of spite, just to hurt their chances to win, is just plain dirty.

Favre wasn't even in the same conference. The only reason he had to help the Lions, Vikings and Bears beat the Packers is to hurt the Packers.

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#26 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:23:16 PM(UTC)
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People expect you to tell your new team about the team you used to be on. But going to the opponents of your old team and helping them out of spite, just to hurt their chances to win, is just plain dirty.

Favre wasn't even in the same conference. The only reason he had to help the Lions, Vikings and Bears beat the Packers is to hurt the Packers.

#4 can join #5 on the numbers no longer available for use list.


I don't even care about the sharing of the playbook, if that indeed occurred. I view that just the same as doing some shitty things while being all butt-hurt after a bad breakup. Things get said, things happen, and regrets linger. It doesn't mean anything more than being pissed off and caught up in the moment. People move forward, and they (should) forgive, as long as the feeling is mutual on both sides.

It's old boring history to me now. I'd rather focus on his career as a very good Green Bay Packers quarterback. But I simply can't put the energy into holding grudges, especially for anything that occurred during this situation. It wasn't like anything TRULY bad happened, imo. It was just all stupid crap.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 6:00:05 PM(UTC)
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I don't even care about the sharing of the playbook, if that indeed occurred. I view that just the same as doing some shitty things while being all butt-hurt after a bad breakup. Things get said, things happen, and regrets linger. It doesn't mean anything more than being pissed off and caught up in the moment. People move forward, and they (should) forgive, as long as the feeling is mutual on both sides.

It's old boring history to me now. I'd rather focus on his career as a very good Green Bay Packers quarterback. But I simply can't put the energy into holding grudges, especially for anything that occurred during this situation. It wasn't like anything TRULY bad happened, imo. It was just all stupid crap.


The thing is that people are talking about doing a great honor to Favre by retiring his number. An honor I think he doesn't deserve.

Mostly because I don't think he was good enough.

But someone who did something as dishonorable as trying to put his team over the salary cap and then sabotaging the team because he couldn't get his way, should also be accountable for his actions.

It isn't an issue to me if we are not talking about paying such an honor to him. Because he didn't earn it. There are better players and better men that are not included in that honor. It would show a great deal of disrespect to those players to heap this honor on Faver after what he did.

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 6:53:11 PM(UTC)
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The thing is that people are talking about doing a great honor to Favre by retiring his number. An honor I think he doesn't deserve.

Mostly because I don't think he was good enough.

But someone who did something as dishonorable as trying to put his team over the salary cap and then sabotaging the team because he couldn't get his way, should also be accountable for his actions.

It isn't an issue to me if we are not talking about paying such an honor to him. Because he didn't earn it. There are better players and better men that are not included in that honor. It would show a great deal of disrespect to those players to heap this honor on Faver after what he did.



I mean, obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Packers fans and those in the organization making decisions simply disagree with you, at least on the not being a good enough player thing. Ultimately, the NFL is entertainment, and Favre was as entertaining as anyone to play to the game. In that sense, he was at the top of his profession. A true entertainer. It's not all about statistics or positive achievements. It's the entire entertainment package, for better or for worse. We as fans may not like it, but it is the way it is and the way it is going to be. Certainly nothing wrong with debating the issue though. It's always going to be a somewhat divisive topic. That will never change, but I do think it will continue to fade as the years past, as it probably should.

I suppose I view any "honor" as recognizing his achievements as an entertainer first-and-foremost. He also happened to be a pretty good quarterback imo. One that many felt a connection to, for whatever reason. Made some incredible plays, and started a ton of games. Those things mean quite a bit.
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He needs to come back a few times before they retire the jersey. Otherwise he looks a little mercenary. Be a friend first before the marriage so to speak.


He already was a friend to every Packer fan until he showed his true colors. I'm one of many that will boo him til the day I die. Frickin Diva!!
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The thing is that people are talking about doing a great honor to Favre by retiring his number. An honor I think he doesn't deserve.

Mostly because I don't think he was good enough.

But someone who did something as dishonorable as trying to put his team over the salary cap and then sabotaging the team because he couldn't get his way, should also be accountable for his actions.

It isn't an issue to me if we are not talking about paying such an honor to him. Because he didn't earn it. There are better players and better men that are not included in that honor. It would show a great deal of disrespect to those players to heap this honor on Faver after what he did.



White trash people identify with Favre. He's their hero/ego ideal.
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