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Offline Dexter_Sinister  
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:35:27 PM(UTC)
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You're willing to chastise Brett Favre for things that you don't know if they happened to previous players? You're okay with that bias? What I'm getting at is, other players certainly did far worse and went under the radar due to pre-Twitter, pre-Facebook, pre-Social Media and certainly pre-Internet.

Imagine the stories about say Babe Ruth, or Paul Hornung if in today's world. Would you and do you hold them equally accountable?



Curly Lambeau did the same kinds of things.

Look how long it took honor him. And he founded, played on, coached and owned the team. Favre was just a good QB on a great team.

His behavior is only half of it. I don't think Favre was good enough or important enough.

That is also a weak argument. I don't know what they did, so in case they did sabotaged their teams, walk out on them 3 times and tried to force them over the salary cap and roster limit, we should give Favre a pass.

My oldest kid might have gotten away with sneaking out with the car when he was 15, so I should just tell my youngest that it is OK for him to do it? Even though I have no reason to think he actually did.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:40:08 PM(UTC)
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Curly Lambeau did the same kinds of things.

Look how long it took honor him. And he founded, played on, coached and owned the team. Favre was just a good QB on a great team.

His behavior is only half of it. I don't think Favre was good enough or important enough.

That is also a weak argument. I don't know what they did, so in case they did sabotaged their teams, walk out on them 3 times and tried to force them over the salary cap and roster limit, we should give Favre a pass.

My oldest kid might have gotten away with sneaking out with the car when he was 15, so I should just tell my youngest that it is OK for him to do it? Even though I have no reason to think he actually did.


You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.
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#13 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:40:26 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
You're willing to chastise Brett Favre for things that you don't know if they happened to previous players? You're okay with that bias? What I'm getting at is, other players certainly did far worse and went under the radar due to pre-Twitter, pre-Facebook, pre-Social Media and certainly pre-Internet.

Imagine the stories about say Babe Ruth, or Paul Hornung if in today's world. Would you and do you hold them equally accountable?



Favre is worse than Ruth and Hornung combined. The internet says so and the internet is never wrong.
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#14 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:58:27 AM(UTC)
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Favre is worse than Ruth and Hornung combined. The internet says so and the internet is never wrong.


The internet says you owe me $3,104.27 - you know my paypal, send transfer soon, k thanks.
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#15 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:22:42 AM(UTC)
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You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.


Favre was blackmailed to take a dive for the Strahan record and for ALL THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. We know now how blackmailable he was.



That looks about as real as this:

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#16 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:51:15 AM(UTC)
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The internet says you owe me $3,104.27 - you know my paypal, send transfer soon, k thanks.


well if the internet says so, it must be true. I am old so the check is in the mail.
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Here is my take on the whole thing. I was never that big of a Favre fan even when he was on the Packers. He made a lot of spectacular plays but he made a lot of bonehead plays as well. I was glad we had him as I think his good outweighed his bad but I never really bought into the whole aw shucks good old boy routine. Even at his peak when he was getting so much praise for being the Packers I kind of had a feeling that eventually the whole thing would crumble. That's why when he left it didn't bother me at all. He was no longer a Packer so I no longer cared about him. I didn't watch a single Jets game when he was the QB and the only vikings games I watched was when they played the Packers. He was just another player on another team to me and the only thing I cared about was how his performance affected the Packers.

Having said all that I do understand what he meant to the franchise. He may not have been the reason for the turnaround but he was the face of the turnaround and he will get a lions share of the credit and I am fine with that. In fact the more I hear people still pissing and moaning about him the more I like the guy. I used to collect Packers cards pretty heavily and I got any and all I could, Favre included, but now pretty much the only guy I actively seek out is Favre. I just think is weird that some people still hold that much of a grudge against him.

I have two favorite memories of Favre. The Raider game after his father passed away and the fact that I was at his very first start at Lambeau Field against the Steelers and I was at his very last start at Lambeau Field when the vikings visited the Packers.

If for some reason I happen to be at the game where the number retirement takes place I will cheer as my guess is 95% of the Packers fans will. The other 5%, to paraphrase nerdman in a previous post, "fuck them"
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#18 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:07:12 AM(UTC)
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Here is my take on the whole thing. I was never that big of a Favre fan even when he was on the Packers. He made a lot of spectacular plays but he made a lot of bonehead plays as well. I was glad we had him as I think his good outweighed his bad but I never really bought into the whole aw shucks good old boy routine. Even at his peak when he was getting so much praise for being the Packers I kind of had a feeling that eventually the whole thing would crumble. That's why when he left it didn't bother me at all. He was no longer a Packer so I no longer cared about him. I didn't watch a single Jets game when he was the QB and the only vikings games I watched was when they played the Packers. He was just another player on another team to me and the only thing I cared about was how his performance affected the Packers.

Having said all that I do understand what he meant to the franchise. He may not have been the reason for the turnaround but he was the face of the turnaround and he will get a lions share of the credit and I am fine with that. In fact the more I hear people still pissing and moaning about him the more I like the guy. I used to collect Packers cards pretty heavily and I got any and all I could, Favre included, but now pretty much the only guy I actively seek out is Favre. I just think is weird that some people still hold that much of a grudge against him.

I have two favorite memories of Favre. The Raider game after his father passed away and the fact that I was at his very first start at Lambeau Field against the Steelers and I was at his very last start at Lambeau Field when the vikings visited the Packers.

If for some reason I happen to be at the game where the number retirement takes place I will cheer as my guess is 95% of the Packers fans will. The other 5%, to paraphrase nerdman in a previous post, "fuck them"



I still can't understand why local channels were so eager to carry Jets games. It seemed so stupid to me. In retrospect I can't blame them for wanting to cash in on the favreites worship services.

Without trying to make this political, That is what is wrong these days. Way to much time is spent worry about the 5%. Who cares anyway? Did Braun get some boos when he came back? Sure he did. Did it die out after the people had a chance to express themselves? Yep. Did the world come to an end? Nope.

Some will cheer. Some will boo. It changes nothing. Let's move on.

If it is Brett that is waiting until everyone loves him again he will have a long wait.
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#19 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:43:20 AM(UTC)
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You don't know that Brett Favre sabotaged the Packers either, yet you condemn him for it.


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31964349.html

The sabotage deal was broken by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.

Several sources have told FOX Sports that Favre earlier this year phoned the Detroit Lions prior to their battle versus Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, and gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense. According to the sources, Favre actually spent over an hour on the phone with Lions coaches, who were connected with Favre by then-team president Matt Millen. Favre has allegedly done this with a number of teams.

My guess is that since he was talking with the Vikings at the time, by their own admission. They would beon of the "other teams". It isn't much of a stretch to say the Bears were offered a peak at the playbook also. But they probably turned him down.

Confirmed by Mike Florio and Jason Wilde. Reprinted by many news outlets.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31964349.html

The sabotage deal was broken by Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.

Several sources have told FOX Sports that Favre earlier this year phoned the Detroit Lions prior to their battle versus Favre's old team, the Green Bay Packers, and gave them a rundown of the nuances of what Green Bay does on offense. According to the sources, Favre actually spent over an hour on the phone with Lions coaches, who were connected with Favre by then-team president Matt Millen. Favre has allegedly done this with a number of teams.

My guess is that since he was talking with the Vikings at the time, by their own admission. They would beon of the "other teams". It isn't much of a stretch to say the Bears were offered a peak at the playbook also. But they probably turned him down.

Confirmed by Mike Florio and Jason Wilde. Reprinted by many news outlets.


So, that is what you're saying is sabotage? How's that different from a team picking up a player and getting tips from them? The NFL is full of saboteurs under that pretense.

If he went out of his way to make the contact to try and give other teams pointers on the Packers, sure that's a dick move, but not sabotage. Teams acquire players all the time for the purpose of acquiring intel on their previous team. If you're not smart enough to tweak things, then that's on you.

Kind of switching directions here, I wonder how Reggie White plays into this. I believe the Packers regretted not retiring his number earlier than they did.

I would rather numbers be taken out of circulation for X amount of years than them being disallowed forever. I grew up being a big Dale Earnhardt fan and when they announce his number would be used again, a big part of me was glad. It sparked a lot of memories and what not about Dale. Otherwise if the number had been abolished, then it's going to go into the abyss of out of sight, out of mind.


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