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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 7:08:59 AM(UTC)
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I like the Eagles insane pace, I'd like to see the Packers do something like that too. Aaron Rodgers will chew up defenses like mad crazy!

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That's what Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy has planned for his offense this season.

And why not, especially with Aaron Rodgers on board with the idea?

McCarthy and his quarterback have one primary goal in mind for 2014: Run 75 plays per game.

Do that, and everything else -- big numbers for Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, Jarrett Boykin and possibly one of the new rookie receivers; another 1,000-plus yard season for Eddie Lacy; solid pass protection -- will fall into place.
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#2 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 8:05:58 AM(UTC)
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before they can run 75 plays on the offensive side, they need a defense that can consistently get off the field. You may have a Porsche at home but it doesn’t do you any good if it is sitting in the garage.
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#3 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 8:41:02 AM(UTC)
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What is the benefit of running 75 plays, other than pure stat whoring? Burn the fucking clock down. Keep your defense fresh and well rested. They'll look much better in the 4th quarter if they've got something left in the tank.

This Chip Kelly bullshit is a fad, like the run and shoot that Mike loves so much. Or zone blocking. lol
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#4 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:05:06 AM(UTC)
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One of the problems for the defense in the past, was the offense scoring so quickly that the defense was back on the field too quickly thus wearing them down faster.
IMO it's more beneficial to the defense if the offense uses up the clock.
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#5 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:10:59 AM(UTC)
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The average game has 134 regular plays. If you have 75 on offense, that means your D only has 59 plays. That sounds good to me.
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#6 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:14:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
What is the benefit of running 75 plays, other than pure stat whoring? Burn the fucking clock down. Keep your defense fresh and well rested. They'll look much better in the 4th quarter if they've got something left in the tank.

This Chip Kelly bullshit is a fad, like the run and shoot that Mike loves so much. Or zone blocking. lol


Wait, are you saying zone blocking is a recent fad or just McCarthy's use of it?

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#7 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:45:24 AM(UTC)
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This is only a good idea IF your defense is any good.

The benefit to running 75 plays is the speed at which you're running them will stop the opposing defense from making substitutions. You'll force them to use all their time outs or put them in a situation where what D they started with on 1st down is the one they'll have to play on 2nd and 3rd. I didn't read the article yet but I have to believe ths is why you would do such a thing.

I'm very surprised to read this is how we're approaching offense. Should make drafting Packers for fantasy football even easier.

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#8 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:54:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
The average game has 134 regular plays. If you have 75 on offense, that means your D only has 59 plays. That sounds good to me.


It would be interesting to know the average number of offensive plays per game the Packers ran in the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
Perhaps one of our stat miners could come up with those numbers.

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#9 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:22:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
The average game has 134 regular plays. If you have 75 on offense, that means your D only has 59 plays. That sounds good to me.


If you're running Chip Kelly's offense, you're going to leave alot more time on the clock, so you'll end up with alot more plays than an "average" game.
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#10 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 12:58:29 PM(UTC)
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2013- Packers ran 66.8 plays/ game
2012- 64.7

In the last 2 years, no team has averaged 75 plays/ game. The Chip Kelly offense averaged only 65.4 last year.

Rather than overanalyze McCarthy's statement, I think he meant "Our goal is to have the ball on offense more than we did last year. My reasoning is that gives us more chances to score and leaves less chance for the opponent."

Now, feel free to analyze the attire he was wearing when giving the statement. Since it's the off season and there is no real news.

This news flash just in. ARod just completed an interview in Maine while on vacation. He said, and I quote,"Our goal is to win the Super Bowl." Wait. Where did that come from? What do you think he meant? Is it significant that he was not wearing a Packer t shirt when he said it? He was drinking a Lite beer. Does he think he's fat? News Flash- "ARod is trying to lose weight before the season. If he can't, they have no hope of Super Bowl title." (I should be a reporter...)

Off season stinks.
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#11 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 1:05:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
2013- Packers ran 66.8 plays/ game
2012- 64.7

In the last 2 years, no team has averaged 75 plays/ game. The Chip Kelly offense averaged only 65.4 last year.

Rather than overanalyze McCarthy's statement, I think he meant "Our goal is to have the ball on offense more than we did last year. My reasoning is that gives us more chances to score and leaves less chance for the opponent."

Now, feel free to analyze the attire he was wearing when giving the statement. Since it's the off season and there is no real news.

This news flash just in. ARod just completed an interview in Maine while on vacation. He said, and I quote,"Our goal is to win the Super Bowl." Wait. Where did that come from? What do you think he meant? Is it significant that he was not wearing a Packer t shirt when he said it? He was drinking a Lite beer. Does he think he's fat? News Flash- "ARod is trying to lose weight before the season. If he can't, they have no hope of Super Bowl title." (I should be a reporter...)

Off season stinks.


When I read McCarthy's statement you quoted, it just makes me think the defense needs to get better. If the defense could get the opposing offenses off the field quickly on a routine basis, the offense would have the ball more. Theoretically, anyway. McCarthy is an offensive guy though.
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#12 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 4:55:01 PM(UTC)
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Why in the hell would we want to speed things up when we have a smash mouth, old school, power running back? Man, i read some stupid shit in here once in a while. Now is the time to have a balanced offense and wear teams down, and most importantly have a rested defense.
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Offline StarrMax1  
#13 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 5:47:16 PM(UTC)
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From another angle,

Packers offense has 5 possesions, run 15 plays each possesion, that's 75 plays.

That would be where the Smash-mouth football would come in.

Probably wouldn't happen that way, but seems The Packers are striving to be a balanced team.

A team that could put together a 15 play drive, allowing the D to be fresh, but at any time Aaron and co. could light it up for a quick score.

That is more likely to happen if the opponent starts to play the run.

I didn't read it as MIke wanting to run a Chip Kelly style of offense, but a no huddle does put the defense in a whole if they can't make their subsitutions.

Nothing stopping the Packers from running the ball out of the no huddle.
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#14 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 6:16:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Why in the hell would we want to speed things up when we have a smash mouth, old school, power running back? Man, i read some stupid shit in here once in a while. Now is the time to have a balanced offense and wear teams down, and most importantly have a rested defense.


The Packers have had a positive TOP on offense every year McCarthey has been our head coach.

An increase in TOP has no impact on winning %. As TOP goes up, winning percentage stays exactly the same.

It is much more important to focus on being efficient with the ball than it is to work on keeping the ball longer.

It doesn't help to hold onto the ball a long time if you don't score with it. It doesn't hurt to score quickly.
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#15 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 7:57:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa Go to Quoted Post
This is only a good idea IF your defense is any good.

The benefit to running 75 plays is the speed at which you're running them will stop the opposing defense from making substitutions. You'll force them to use all their time outs or put them in a situation where what D they started with on 1st down is the one they'll have to play on 2nd and 3rd. I didn't read the article yet but I have to believe ths is why you would do such a thing.

I'm very surprised to read this is how we're approaching offense. Should make drafting Packers for fantasy football even easier.



You can prevent the other team from substituting by going no-huddle. That doesn't mean you have to snap the ball right away.

And as a matter of fact, a little tempo might help do away with these goddam lulls we keep experiencing week after week.
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#16 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 7:58:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Why in the hell would we want to speed things up when we have a smash mouth, old school, power running back? Man, i read some stupid shit in here once in a while. Now is the time to have a balanced offense and wear teams down, and most importantly have a rested defense.


Maybe it's disinfo, like when Ron Wolf publicly stated he wanted to draft Rex Grossman. LOL
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#17 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 7:59:21 PM(UTC)
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The Packers have had a positive TOP on offense every year McCarthey has been our head coach.

An increase in TOP has no impact on winning %. As TOP goes up, winning percentage stays exactly the same.

It is much more important to focus on being efficient with the ball than it is to work on keeping the ball longer.

It doesn't help to hold onto the ball a long time if you don't score with it. It doesn't hurt to score quickly.


If we burned some clock against the Niners in week 1, they would have had 1/3 less plays, hence much less yardage and much fewer snaps.

Defenses play better when they're not worn down.
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#18 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 9:16:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If we burned some clock against the Niners in week 1, they would have had 1/3 less plays, hence much less yardage and much fewer snaps.

Defenses play better when they're not worn down.


I'm sick of all the excuses for the defense. It's not the offenses job to make it easier on the defense. The defense needs to make stops regardless of what situation they are in. It's the offenses job to score points, nothing else. Anything beyond scoring points is a bonus. But the defense needs to step up and carry its weight regardless of offensive time of possession, or any other offensive factor.
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#19 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:05:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If we burned some clock against the Niners in week 1, they would have had 1/3 less plays, hence much less yardage and much fewer snaps.

Defenses play better when they're not worn down.


If we slow it down we have a 1/3 less plays, hence much less yardage and much fewer snaps. If you slow the game down, BOTH teams end up with fewer plays.

The offense should operate at the tempo at which it is most effective: i.e. most points per possession. If that's running the hurry up, run the hurry up. If that's grinding out a slow methodical game, do that. If the defense wants a rest, force a three and out.
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#20 Posted : Monday, July 14, 2014 10:51:49 PM(UTC)
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Patriots run a very effective up tempo offense which I would want to emulate. You have to have a great QB to pull it off. We have a great QB. Let's do it!
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:41:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Why in the hell would we want to speed things up when we have a smash mouth, old school, power running back? Man, i read some stupid shit in here once in a while. Now is the time to have a balanced offense and wear teams down, and most importantly have a rested defense.


Running against a defence after it has had to defend against 60 plays works better than having to play against a defence that has played just 40 snaps, though.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
If we slow it down we have a 1/3 less plays, hence much less yardage and much fewer snaps. If you slow the game down, BOTH teams end up with fewer plays.

The offense should operate at the tempo at which it is most effective: i.e. most points per possession. If that's running the hurry up, run the hurry up. If that's grinding out a slow methodical game, do that. If the defense wants a rest, force a three and out.


I agree. When you have as strong a defense as we have, why slow the game down and put the emphasis on your defense? I'd want the ball as much and as often as possible in every single game.

Lacy won't be less effective because we take a lot of snaps. And if he needs a breather, we have enough depth on offense to give him one. Same goes for our WR group.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:16:40 AM(UTC)
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An offense running quickly and efficiently helps the defense. It puts the other team on their heels and cuts their playbook in half when they get down. I really don't see how our offenses have been bad for our defense when we have typically kept our D in great field position. Our offenses usually rarely go 3 and out, they move the ball even if they have to punt so the other team is backed up and put up a lot of points. If you can't hold the other team under 30 points I'm sorry but that's not because you were tired it's because you simply weren't good at your job.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:41:47 AM(UTC)
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We all know how our defense struggles. Not only due to Dom refusing to play anyone but "his" guys, but do to the decimating injuries that occur like clockwork year in and year out.

Why put more pressure on them than is absolutely necessary? Why hang them out to dry in key situations? Yeah, maybe they should "get it done," no matter what. But why continuously make it difficult for them?

Aaron is supposedly at his best when he gets to the LoS early, surveys the defense, uses fake cadence to get them to twitch, then knows what is coming and can change the play. This takes time, and as many of you from the chat room know, as I bitch about it regularly, causes numerous wasted timeouts every week. Not only does that run the clock, but it keeps our shaky defense off the field.

The only reason to run 75 plays per game is for stat whoring, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Aaron to erase Favre from the record books. But he should start with SB victories.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:43:55 AM(UTC)
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The only reason to run 75 plays per game is for stat whoring, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Aaron to erase Favre from the record books. But he should start with SB victories.


Even the INT record? Big Grin
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:02:57 PM(UTC)
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But he should start with SB victories.


Because that's so obviously not Aaron Rodgers or the Green Bay Packers goal.

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