9 years ago



No way on this earth I extend Ted Thompson until after this season... if we bow out in Round 1...or don't make the playoffs it's time for both Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson to go. 4 straight years of playoff failure is not good enough.

Tom Brady has 4 SuperBowl appearances and SIX AFC Championship appearances.

I think many of us feel Aaron is Brady's equal if not superior in terms of talent. Clearly, our TEAM isn't very good around Aaron or he'd be wracking up the kind of numbers Brady has in the post season. Aaron has ONE NFC Championship appearance as a starter under TT. Brady has SIX. Brady was a 3 time SB winner before he was 28. Aaron is 30 now and has but one appearance in a SB or Conference championship as a starter. Again, Brady 4 Rodgers 1 in SB's. Brady 6 Rodgers 1 in championship game appearances.

Meanwhile, I believe many Packers fans have overestimated our "greatness" one Conference championship vs. 6 of Tom Brady. Further, Colin Kaepernick has been to 2 NFC championships in back to back years...already more than Aaron Rodgers. How you think we should stick with this plan we're on is baffling to me...Aaron's career will be over soon and we'll all get to talk about one SB like we did with Brett. Spare me the talk about how tough it is to get to the SB. Brady has been there 4 times... Big Ben has been there several times. Rodgers...ONCE. Not good enough...not even close. Ted Thompson has failed with the greatest passer of all time to give him a team to get to 2nd SB much less get out of the first freaking round. How you're content and happy with this stuff is mindboggling. Again, NFC Championship appearances as a starter... Kaepernick 2 Rodgers 1.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Put the Packers in the AFC. Problem solved.


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DoddPower
9 years ago

If anything, I would argue that Mike McCarthy and his reluctantly refusal to cut dead weight in his staff being more of a downfall of this team than or composition of roster year in and out. How long does one have to see Campen fail to build a solid NFL does it take.. now he has gotten directly involved last season. This year.. it is the defense.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



This. I certainly place more blame on McCarthy, Dom Capers, Campen, and a few others than Ted Thompson. That's not to say he has "immunity," which is a silly hyperbolic thing to say anyway, but I think those guys are simply more to blame than Ted Thompson. If the Packers could somehow find a way to stay relatively healthy, they have a realistic chance to beat any team in the league. For the most part, Thompson is doing a pretty damn good job. He could definitely do better. But if the injury bug cuts the Packers a break, things quickly start looking a lot different. If Bulaga and Sherrod can stay healthy and compete, the Packers offensive line looks a lot different. If Finley wouldn't have suffered what appears to be a career ending injury, the tight end group looks pretty good. If Clay Mathews, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Casey Hayward, Datone Jones, Mike Daniels, and others stayed relatively healthy collectively, I am confident the defense would be much better. I'm sure they would have been better over the past several years if Nick Collins wasn't lost. For the most part, a team can only suffer so many injuries and remain competitive. There are always exceptions, but they are just that: exceptions to the norm. Thompson usually assembles a nice talent base, they just need to stay healthy. Someone out there could probably do better, but one thing's for certain, there are MANY others that would do much worse.
porky88
9 years ago

I went over this... Where were the Packers 3 years after Sherman was fired as GM? In an NFC Championship game they lost by a FG in OT. So, who is responsible for the team that was on the field that day? It can't be Ted Thompson if it takes 3 years blah, blah, blah...it would be Mike Sherman's team on the field as he left 3 years before that game. Ted Thompson would not get credit for it under your formula of waiting 3 years to judge. Sherman gets the credit for that NFC Championship appearance under your scenario. So, with Ted's team, we had one magical SB run, which was no doubt glorious, and one win vs. a Joe Webb Viking led team in the playoffs. We've made the playoffs that many times with TT's team and have gone one and done way too often. Our team obviously doesn't have a very good chance if the majority of it's playoff appearances ended in one and done. Being one and done is a major failure...one that should be unacceptable. When the same team ends your season, twice in a row, when you have the better QB is even more of a failure.

No way on this earth I extend Ted Thompson until after this season... if we bow out in Round 1...or don't make the playoffs it's time for both Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson to go. 4 straight years of playoff failure is not good enough.

Tom Brady has 4 SuperBowl appearances and SIX AFC Championship appearances.

I think many of us feel Aaron is Brady's equal if not superior in terms of talent. Clearly, our TEAM isn't very good around Aaron or he'd be wracking up the kind of numbers Brady has in the post season. Aaron has ONE NFC Championship appearance as a starter under TT. Brady has SIX. Brady was a 3 time SB winner before he was 28. Aaron is 30 now and has but one appearance in a SB or Conference championship as a starter. Again, Brady 4 Rodgers 1 in SB's. Brady 6 Rodgers 1 in championship game appearances.

Meanwhile, I believe many Packers fans have overestimated our "greatness" one Conference championship vs. 6 of Tom Brady. Further, Colin Kaepernick has been to 2 NFC championships in back to back years...already more than Aaron Rodgers. How you think we should stick with this plan we're on is baffling to me...Aaron's career will be over soon and we'll all get to talk about one SB like we did with Brett. Spare me the talk about how tough it is to get to the SB. Brady has been there 4 times... Big Ben has been there several times. Rodgers...ONCE. Not good enough...not even close. Ted Thompson has failed with the greatest passer of all time to give him a team to get to 2nd SB much less get out of the first freaking round. How you're content and happy with this stuff is mindboggling. Again, NFC Championship appearances as a starter... Kaepernick 2 Rodgers 1.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 


Super Bowl wins as a starter... Rodgers 1 Kaepernick 0

Three years isn’t some sort of bulletproof philosophy. I’m pretty sure you could’ve judged Clay Matthews after year No. 2 and I’m pretty sure you can judge Eddie Lacy right now. Regardless, by 2007, many of Sherman’s draft picks flunked out of the league. They weren’t on that 2007 team or any other, so I don’t know why you’re giving him credit for that season. Thompson enacted an incredible rebuilding project. He gutted the team in his first season as general manager. This is what started the animosity between Favre and Thompson.

Ryan Grant, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Ryan Pickett, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, A.J. Hawk, and Brady Poppinga were all players signed, acquired, or drafted by Thompson. That’s half the starting lineup.

Sherman drafted Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett, Corey Williams and Scott Wells. He brought in Cullen Jenkins and Al Harris. Six players in three years isn't very good.

Look at Ron Wolf, though. He drafted Donald Driver, Mark Tauscher, Chad Clifton, and Bubba Franks. He also traded for Brett Favre. KGB played a big role on that team as a pass rush specialist. Wolf drafted him as well. By ‘07, Wolf was out of the game for six years, and he still had as big as an impact on the ‘07 team as Sherman did. Thompson, of course, had the biggest.

As far as the Patriots go, they played in three Super Bowls before Thompson became Green Bay’s general manager, and before Rodgers was even in the NFL. They actually have zero Super Bowl titles since Thompson's been GM of the Packers. Brady has one Super Bowl appearance above the age of 30. Who’s to say Rodgers won’t have two or three?

Based on your logic, in the 1970s, you would’ve been clamoring for the Raiders, Cowboys, and Dolphins to blow things up because they weren’t the Steelers. The ‘90s Packers weren’t the Cowboys, but I don’t recall many people wishing away Wolf. It seems to me that your case against Thompson is that Green Bay's not winning the Super Bowl every year (or every other), so the Pack need a change at the top. That is not how the top NFL franchises operate. Who does that? Dallas (post Jimmy Johnson), Washington (Daniel Snyder Era), and Oakland (90s-present) come to mind.
DoddPower
9 years ago
Don't get sucked into the black hole Porky!!
Dexter_Sinister
9 years ago

I agree with all your excuses but to me it comes down to the fact that the last 4 games were 4 losses for the Packers. Were they close? Sure. Have the Packers had chances to win a few of them? Yes. Did they? No. To me that means San Fran has their number. To you it doesn't. So be it. Eventually (hopefully starting in 2014) it will swing the other way for a while. That's the way it goes. It's not a big deal unless you are one of those who like to rub it in to other fans that we beat them x number of times in a row and are afraid to admit it when your team goes on a losing streak against a particular team.

Originally Posted by: sschind 


They edged the Packers. When the D was crippled.

I wouldn't say that makes them a better team. Don't confuse luck with talent. That would be a huge mistake.

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DoddPower
9 years ago

They edged the Packers. When the D was crippled.

I wouldn't say that makes them a better team. Don't confuse luck with talent. That would be a huge mistake.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



I don't know, if I was being objective, I would have to say the better team won each of the four recent games. At least on that given Sunday, which is all that actually matters. I absolutely think the Packers can and should beat the 49'ers, but the reality is they haven't. It needs to happen. The past few seasons, the 49'ers have been better when both teams are on the same playing field. I certainly don't view their victories or all the yards they gained as "luck." It wasn't "luck" that Hyde dropped that interception. It was lack of execution on his part. Teams and players have to execute to be "good."

The Packers came close, but they still haven't won in a while. Anything beyond that is an excuse.
uffda udfa
9 years ago


I don't give him immunity whatsoever, but I think year in and out he assembles one of the deepest rosters in the NFL, manages the cap very well and other than his lack of information.. very competent at his craft.

If anything, I would argue that Mike McCarthy and his reluctantly refusal to cut dead weight in his staff being more of a downfall of this team than or composition of roster year in and out. How long does one have to see Campen fail to build a solid NFL does it take.. now he has gotten directly involved last season. This year.. it is the defense.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I think this is another Packer fan fallacy. "Deepest rosters"? We were 2-5-1 last year after Aaron went down...that reflects the exact opposite of depth. I think the fact we've had so much stability has masked just how poor the teams around our HOF QB's have been. Yes, we won the SB with half the world on IR but other than Finley I'm not so sure that we missed any of them. Aha, you say! I get where you might go with that. I think that speaks to our starters not being all that good in the first place and easily replaceable by backups. That isn't depth to me...it's just a bunch of mediocrity masked by a star QB. Don't I account for injuries? Sure, but there is no way to measure what impact they've had. Last year had Cobb and Matthews not gone down, I would bet we're still 2-5-1. Maybe, we win one of those 5 we lost. 3-4-1.

The Bears lose Cutler every single year. That team was pretty dynamic with a guy like McCown running the show. Too bad for them their D was worse than ours. Stafford is also a glass man... Our only advantage in our own division is our QB's have been healthy and are better even when all of them are.

Two more years of Ted. I'll bet you there isn't another playoff win during the rest of his tenure and his legacy will be hailed by the fans here for years to come. In fact, it's so highly thought of it seems most of you hope we stay the same for years after he's gone. I really don't get it.

BTW: It is hysterical to read about the Niners don't really own us? Really? We sent our D staff down to College Station to try and learn about the read option to stop Kaepernick. Our whole offseason was geared toward stopping Kaepernick and beating the Niners. Anquan Fossil Boldin went for over 200 that game and we gave up a boatload of points, again, and lost...again. We once owned SF when Young was the QB...I'm sure Niners fans thought they were really the better team but we beat them something like 9 out of 10 times. I believe it was 8 in a row at one point. I'm sure when Terrell Owens ended our chance for a 3rd straight SB appearance all the Niners fans said...See, I told you, we've been better all this time. Finally. LMAO. That is what anyone who is defending LOSING to the Niners 4 STRAIGHT and TWICE IN A ROW in the playoff is doing. It's unbecoming. We're owned until we beat them. That may be a few years off but I know some here will still be saying we're better. That Kool Aid is a heckuva drug.
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beast
9 years ago

I went over this... Where were the Packers 3 years after Sherman was fired as GM? In an NFC Championship game they lost by a FG in OT. So, who is responsible for the team that was on the field that day?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You just don't get the simple reason that it's players and coaches responsibility... AND the GMs that put the players and coaches there... IN OTHER WORDS... it's not one GMs..... as Wolf brought guys that team, Sherman brought guys to that team and Thompson brought guys to that team.

Your idea that it's only the current GM when there was a recent transitions is just plain stupid... Sherman as GM won at first before of the people Wolf put on the team... and Sherman did a pretty bad job which is why they got worse... but he did add some good players as well... then Thompson took over with players from both Wolf and Sherman....


It other words it complex ... it's not as simple as one guy sat here with this name title ... so everything happen is his doing. Sherman nor Thompson put Favre on this team yet they got help from his success (at least while he was with the team). Does Sherman and Thompson get responsible for Favre being on the team? ... they shouldn't... it was Wolf who put him on the team.

So that success of that 2007 year really did have shades of Wolf, Sherman and Thompson... were 2005 was mainly just Wolf and Sherman as Thompson new guys hadn't had time to develop yet.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

You just don't get the simple reason that it's players and coaches responsibility... AND the GMs that put the players and coaches there... IN OTHER WORDS... it's not one GMs..... as Wolf brought guys that team, Sherman brought guys to that team and Thompson brought guys to that team.

Your idea that it's only the current GM when there was a recent transitions is just plain stupid... Sherman as GM won at first before of the people Wolf put on the team... and Sherman did a pretty bad job which is why they got worse... but he did add some good players as well... then Thompson took over with players from both Wolf and Sherman....


It other words it complex ... it's not as simple as one guy sat here with this name title ... so everything happen is his doing. Sherman nor Thompson put Favre on this team yet they got help from his success (at least while he was with the team). Does Sherman and Thompson get responsible for Favre being on the team? ... they shouldn't... it was Wolf who put him on the team.

So that success of that 2007 year really did have shades of Wolf, Sherman and Thompson... were 2005 was mainly just Wolf and Sherman as Thompson new guys hadn't had time to develop yet.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Ted didn't let Favre run the franchise.
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Pack93z
9 years ago

I think this is another Packer fan fallacy. "Deepest rosters"? We were 2-5-1 last year after Aaron went down...that reflects the exact opposite of depth. I think the fact we've had so much stability has masked just how poor the teams around our HOF QB's have been. Yes, we won the SB with half the world on IR but other than Finley I'm not so sure that we missed any of them. Aha, you say! I get where you might go with that. I think that speaks to our starters not being all that good in the first place and easily replaceable by backups. That isn't depth to me...it's just a bunch of mediocrity masked by a star QB. Don't I account for injuries? Sure, but there is no way to measure what impact they've had. Last year had Cobb and Matthews not gone down, I would bet we're still 2-5-1. Maybe, we win one of those 5 we lost. 3-4-1.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I will simply counter with this.. the depth the Packers had won us a Superbowl. That isn't a fallacy, injury after injury was plugged with another player.

I get it.. you want a GM that gambles more in Free Agency. Look, I am not happy with the recent performance of the defense.. never have been happy with Campen's offensive lines. But before throwing out the baby with the bathwater, one also has to look at the overall job Mike McCarthy and Ted have done. I say that combined because they have been a team for most of the tenure and honestly how do you split the credit.

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