Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
3 Pages<123
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline uffda udfa  
#21 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:33:46 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 4/25/2014(UTC)
Location: Texas
Applause Given: 387
Applause Received: 427
Who knows, nerd? All I know is there were at least 4 guys drafted AFTER he was that I'd rather have.

When you draft #5 in Round 1 you sure hope you get a lot better player than AJ Hawk. Sadly, we did not.
Offline beast  
#22 Posted : Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:38:50 PM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

Joined: 10/5/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 508
Applause Received: 603

I honestly think if Thompson drafted a player that completely busted he would be getting less grief for it than Hawk... for some reason people love complaining about Hawk... who I honestly think was partly messed up by the read and react 4-3 defense they had when he first got here and he kept getting worse after coming from a more aggressive college defense.

Hawk was deemed as the safest pick in the draft... and that seems to be true as he's been extremely solid his whole career. Though he hasn't had the best upside... though I still think he was messed up a bit by conservative defense the Packers had early in his career.
Offline DakotaT  
#23 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 4:51:39 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

United States
Joined: 8/18/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 1,015
Applause Received: 2,042
Really, what we should complain about with Hawk and Brad Jones is their contracts. They are way overpaid for the quality of linebacker each is. I'm not sure why Ted gives these guys the kind of coin they receive, but it is not warranted. All you need to do is compare Hawk/Jones to Bowman/Willis and it is pretty easy to see why the middle of our defense is a sieve.

Hopefully we are a little more stoudt on the D-line this season so those guys can be protected more, but our poor to average inside linebacker play is where opposing offensive coordinators attack.
Offline sschind  
#24 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 6:11:53 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

United States
Joined: 3/5/2013(UTC)
Location: SE WISCONSIN
Applause Given: 354
Applause Received: 764
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Who knows, nerd? All I know is there were at least 4 guys drafted AFTER he was that I'd rather have.

When you draft #5 in Round 1 you sure hope you get a lot better player than AJ Hawk. Sadly, we did not.


On the other hand, sometimes you get much worse. I know, I know, there I go again with the "he's OK and that's OK" argument when I really should be bitching and complaining that Ted didn't knock one out of the park with the #5 pick that year. What we really should have done is traded that pick and the following years pick for a player like Jimmy Graham. When you make the pick that 95% of the people in the world think you should pick its not like he reached and took somebody who fell flat on his face. The player might not turn out to be what you hoped but the choice to take him, at the time, was still sound

As much as a disaster Tony Mandarich was you really don't hear Tom Braatz taking too much crap for picking Mandarich in 89 as Mandarich was pretty much the consensus pick there even over Barry he just flopped. Yeah you hear how the pick was a bust but you don't see get much blame thrown at the GM for making it. Its the same with Hawk. Yeah the pick didn't turn out to be a stud like you would hope (like you hope with every pick) but when you take that guy that most people think you should take how can it really be a bad pick?

You say it was a no brainer for Ted to pick Rodgers (or at least some people say that maybe not you) but there was probably far less consensus there than with Hawk. If the Rodgers pick was a no brainer then the Hawk pick was even more so.

IMO after the 4th or 5th season it really doesn't matter what round a guy was drafted in. After 5 years in the league would you take Ryan Leaf or Tom Brady? You have what you have, A superstar, a star, a contributor or a dud. It doesn't matter if you got them in the first round or as an UDFA the important factor is that you got him. Its like the 12 year vets announcing what college they went to in game intros. Who the hell cares, you probably didn't get a degree anyway and from the way it sounds many of them can't even read or write.
Offline steveishere  
#25 Posted : Friday, July 18, 2014 6:19:28 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2013

Joined: 7/28/2012(UTC)
Applause Given: 57
Applause Received: 1,570
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Who knows, nerd? All I know is there were at least 4 guys drafted AFTER he was that I'd rather have.

When you draft #5 in Round 1 you sure hope you get a lot better player than AJ Hawk. Sadly, we did not.


You hope you do but it matters how good the rest of the players you had to choose from are if you are going to use hindsight to judge it. There were better players than Hawk available sure but not that many and they weren't that much better. I'm fine with getting Hawk in that draft but for example if we had drafted top 5 in 2011 and gotten someone of Hawks calibre it wouldn't be quite as fine because that draft was completely loaded at the top with elite talent.

Just saying top 5 pick must be elite or bust is way to simple of a judgement to make for something as complex as the draft.
Offline QCHuskerFan  
#26 Posted : Monday, July 28, 2014 8:57:40 AM(UTC)
Rank: Member

Joined: 12/30/2010(UTC)
Applause Given: 202
Applause Received: 271
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
About even with Mario Williams? Mario has averaged nearly 10 sacks a season for 8 years. He had one season he appeared in only 5 games which keeps his average slightly below 10/season. Last year he had 13 sacks. I can't see how a guy who impacts games the way Mario Williams does could ever be compared to a steady eddie like AJ Hawk? The comparison of being "even" is way off to me. They're not even in the same strata. Hawk goes 2.5 seasons with ZERO splash plays but "at least he's on the field" is the battle cry for him? I admire durability but it fits nowhere with the much preferred productivity. If you could choose, right now... Hawk or Williams are you telling me you'd just keep AJ? Gimme Mario, yesterday.

I consider Nick Perry to be a major disappointment due to health. Casey Hayward I consider a budding young star who had an excellent 1st season and a lost 2nd. Perry has shown some exciting things but I question that guys heart. I don't see the passion for the game out of him.

Obviously, you've gotten past the idea he's a 5th overall and way overpaid. I haven't on either front.

Hawk is a middling steady player. Nothing spectacular or worthy of getting excited about. There's definitely a lot better out there. Why we haven't found it or tried very hard is beyond me. He's a ZERO time probowl starter... Mario has 3 starts.

I love this quote from Hawk from JSOnline.com:

Yes, he absolutely wishes he could make more big plays.

"I'd love to," he says. "I'd love to get more picks, force more fumbles and get more sacks. I'm constantly trying. I don't really have an answer, I guess."

---At least he's not making excuses for not being good enough. I admire that as much as his durability.




Mario Williams has made Zero plays for the Texans in over 2 years. Texans got 4 very good years of production from him. That's it. Then he got hurt and moved on. The fact that he resurrected his career after leaving the team that drafted him does not make him a better pick for them.
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest (2)
3 Pages<123
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (14h) : . Aaron Rodgers has a completion percentage of 33.3 on 10+ air yard passes this season (tied for the lowest in NFL).
Zero2Cool (27-Sep) : High-ankle sprain could sideline Cook
Zero2Cool (26-Sep) : Odell Beckham Jr, Dez Bryant, Alshon Jeffery and Julio Jones on tap for Packers. Yippie.
Cheesey (26-Sep) : Arnold Palmer was a class act all around. RIP
Smokey (26-Sep) : Rest in Peace Arnold Palmer, you blessed us all .
hardrocker950 (26-Sep) : What a strange weekend of football
jdlax (26-Sep) : What's up, friends? It's like bizzaro world right now trailing the Vikings. Blah.
GoPack1984 (25-Sep) : Ryan Fitzpatrick threw 6 interceptions!
TheKanataThrilla (25-Sep) : Cleveland loses.
The_Green_Ninja (25-Sep) : I swear, Jacksonville's hot weather must be a huge advantage. Kept it super close with the Ravens
TheKanataThrilla (25-Sep) : Su'a Cravens with a big INT. A guy I wanted.
TheKanataThrilla (25-Sep) : Can Cleveland win?
Zero2Cool (25-Sep) : T.J. Lang said after one of Aaron Rodgers' TD passes the Packers quarterback head-butted Lang in excitement and said "I'm back."
Zero2Cool (25-Sep) : Terrelle Pryor could see snaps at quarterback
Zero2Cool (25-Sep) : inactives 6 Callahan 37 Shields 42 Burnett 52 Matthews 68 Murphy 95 Jones 98 Guion
Mucky Tundra (25-Sep) : GET HYPE
Zero2Cool (25-Sep) : Packers aim to showcase speed of Ty Montgomery, Trevor Davis
Zero2Cool (25-Sep) : CB Quinten Rollins will start for Shields. Micah Hyde for Burnett. Julius Peppers for Matthews. Kenny Clark for Guion.
Tezzy (25-Sep) : Probably will not be on the top of the Pick'Em leaderboard after today, soaking it in beforehand
Tezzy (25-Sep) : Foosball!
yooperfan (25-Sep) : Game day, tee it up and get this show on the road!
dyeah_gb (25-Sep) : Dyeah! Go Pack!
buckeyepackfan (25-Sep) : GOOD MORNING PACKER FANS! GAMEDAY! GO! PACK! GO!
flep (25-Sep) : Gameday!!! Will see you all in chat later
The_Green_Ninja (25-Sep) : Also, I'm not sure if you guys know. I'm a Memphis Tigers fan. Start looking a Riley Ferguson, QB. He is the real deal.
The_Green_Ninja (24-Sep) : Big whoop, we have Aaron. We are going to win. H8ers.
Zero2Cool (24-Sep) : Matthews, Burnett out; Guion, Jones doubtful
Zero2Cool (24-Sep) : thank ya
macbob (23-Sep) : HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KEVIN (yesterday...sigh...)
Zero2Cool (23-Sep) : Sam Shields has already been ruled out for Sunday's game.
Zero2Cool (23-Sep) : For Lions, Ansah is out. LBs Levy and Williams doubtful and Van Noy questionable. TE Ebron and DE Taylor questionable, too.
Zero2Cool (23-Sep) : Jimmy G sprained his AC joint
Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : Brady is suspended and 2nd stringer Jimmy Garoppolo suffered a ACL sprain in week 2
Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : Patriots 3rd stringer QB Jacoby Brissett injuried and needs surgery
Zero2Cool (23-Sep) : Quinten Rollins is the only NFL cornerback to play 20 or more snaps in the slot this year without allowing a catch
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl LI
Sunday, Sep 11 @ 12:00 PM
at Jaguars
Sunday, Sep 18 @ 7:30 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Sep 25 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Oct 2 @ 12:00 AM
BYE
Sunday, Oct 9 @ 7:30 PM
GIANTS
Sunday, Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Thursday, Oct 20 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 30 @ 12:00 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Nov 6 @ 3:25 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Nov 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Titans
Sunday, Nov 20 @ 7:30 PM
at Redskins
Monday, Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM
at Eagles
Sunday, Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Dec 11 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Dec 18 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Saturday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Jan 1 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / musccy

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DarkaneRules

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / The_Green_Ninja

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

27-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / DarkaneRules

26-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

26-Sep / Around The NFL / Cheesey

26-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Porforis

26-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / jdlax

25-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

25-Sep / GameDay Threads / TheKanataThrilla


Packers Headlines