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dfosterf  
#201 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:48:39 PM(UTC)
No.


I am now going to go back and read the 14 pages posted to date on this thread, on this subject. He is not flexible enough, imo.

Edit- No I am not going to read those 14 pages, it was driving me insane. I want to keep MM, I don't feel Ted Thompson. That's my vote.
Pack93z  
#202 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:54:56 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
TT has two more years. He will leave with one ring, IMO. Who knows, though? Maybe, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick will both suffer season ending injuries and no other team will rise up over our good talent level? Maybe, we'll get some lucky bounces or official's calls? See, it's sad to rely on things like that when you have the best QB in the game. You should come into the season thinking every team in the NFL will be lucky to compete with you. It's the opposite.


Realistically.. I think offensively, we have a chance to be the best. If Daniels continues to develop and Raji can return to form in the middle.. along with Matthews staying healthy.. I think we can compete talent wise with just about anyone.

Will we win it all.. the variables are so vast it is impossible to lay that claim down. But I think we have the talent to do so if we can remain healthier than the past two season.

Additionally, the final roster isn't complete at the moment.. there may be a pickup or trade that greatly affects the team. And it may not seem big at the moment but pay dividends ala Ryan Grant. Or Grady Jackson.

Oh.. and yes.. trading two 1st's for a TE would have overtaken the talent gap this year and the next couple. [grin1]
Pack93z  
#203 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 12:56:43 PM(UTC)
dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
No.


I am now going to go back and read the 14 pages posted to date on this thread, on this subject. He is not flexible enough, imo.


I think almost anyone thinks he has underplayed the free agent market. So I can concur with the flexible statement. Although if Peppers has anything left.. it may be another Woodson verse a Saturday.
musccy  
#204 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:01:40 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post

To have the best QB in the NFL and fail over and over and get one ring is not enough.

I just have a whole less hope than you because our GM is content to ride Aaron Rodgers because it worked ONCE.


The last 5 NFL seasons, there have been 10 unique teams in the Super Bowl. If there is some other model out there that is clearly superior which the Packers aren't utilizing, then fine, do that but these past 5 seasons have shown that's not the case.

Ted's job is to equip the Packers with the personnel to win, and for reasons I've stated along with some of Pack93z's recent posts, I feel he generally has. Yes he's left some positions open, but every GM is going to have to take calculated risks at some positions. You can't pay to have an All Pro at every position, you'll eventually have to hope some rookies or unproven talent will excel at key positions. The Packers let GJ go hoping Boykin and the others could get the job done. It worked. Ted hoped MD could get it done at saftey, he was wrong.

There are 31 teams each year that didn't quite get all of those calculated gambles right. It doesn't have to mean you blow up the ship, and it doesn't have to mean you're settling for good enough if you don't make big changes.

uffda udfa  
#205 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:17:48 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
The last 5 NFL seasons, there have been 10 unique teams in the Super Bowl. If there is some other model out there that is clearly superior which the Packers aren't utilizing, then fine, do that but these past 5 seasons have shown that's not the case.

Ted's job is to equip the Packers with the personnel to win, and for reasons I've stated along with some of Pack93z's recent posts, I feel he generally has. Yes he's left some positions open, but every GM is going to have to take calculated risks at some positions. You can't pay to have an All Pro at every position, you'll eventually have to hope some rookies or unproven talent will excel at key positions. The Packers let GJ go hoping Boykin and the others could get the job done. It worked. Ted hoped MD could get it done at saftey, he was wrong.

There are 31 teams each year that didn't quite get all of those calculated gambles right. It doesn't have to mean you blow up the ship, and it doesn't have to mean you're settling for good enough if you don't make big changes.



Just think what this team is minus Aaron Rodgers when you hail TT's generally good performance. His generally good performance is actually pretty substandard minus him. Oh, I know... RC18, Finley and Clay were also out... 2-5-1. If not for the miracle at Dallas 1-6-1. Heck, we barely beat dreadful Atlanta in our yard...but we almost got the brutal Steelers so I suppose that evens one of them.


musccy  
#206 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:34:06 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Just think what this team is minus Aaron Rodgers when you hail TT's generally good performance. His generally good performance is actually pretty substandard minus him. Oh, I know... RC18, Finley and Clay were also out... 2-5-1. If not for the miracle at Dallas 1-6-1. Heck, we barely beat dreadful Atlanta in our yard...but we almost got the brutal Steelers so I suppose that evens one of them.


Take away any team's top-tier QB and what happens? The Packers are using roughly 15% of their salary cap for that one player, which hurts what they can do at other positions. Of course they'll take a hit when he goes down.




uffda udfa  
#207 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:04:34 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
Take away any team's top-tier QB and what happens? The Packers are using roughly 15% of their salary cap for that one player, which hurts what they can do at other positions. Of course they'll take a hit when he goes down.


Yes, they will...but should it be to the point where we barely win a game against some of the worst teams in the NFL?

The Minnesota Vikings are best set up to be the dominant force in the NFC based on their rookie QB who is taking just a little over 1.2 million in cap space. If he is any good the division should be theirs for the next few seasons. The Packers, Bears and Lions have a lot of money committed to their starting QB's. The Vikes don't so with all that extra cash they should be the best team minus the QB and if the QB is good to better than good look out NFCN.

musccy  
#208 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:10:04 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post


The Minnesota Vikings are best set up to be the dominant force in the NFC based on their rookie QB who is taking just a little over 1.2 million in cap space. If he is any good the division should be theirs for the next few seasons. The Packers, Bears and Lions have a lot of money committed to their starting QB's. The Vikes don't so with all that extra cash they should be the best team minus the QB and if the QB is good to better than good look out NFCN.



It worked for the 49'ers and Seahawks.
uffda udfa  
#209 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:28:50 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
It worked for the 49'ers and Seahawks.


It absolutely did... that is what is so upsetting...our window where Rodgers wasn't so highly paid is a distant memory. We didn't do enough then to win while we had this advantage.

Doing it now is only that much harder and one of the many reasons I don't think we'll see another ring under Rodgers. It is also why it drives me nutty reading stuff about affecting Aaron's good years. Those are over to a certain extent. We'll never have him at an MVP level with that kind of salary ever again.

The Niners didn't get their one... The Seahawks did. Let's see how this plays out between all these franchises and throw NY in there, too. Eli has a couple. That is sad that Eli Manning has more rings than Aaron Rodgers.

Will you consider Ted Thompson's regime a failure if we fail (no SB appearances) in the playoffs the next two years and he retires? I don't even have to tell you what I think about that.
musccy  
#210 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:39:32 PM(UTC)
I can't say if I'd consider it a failure or not. I don't view a season that way, meaning you have to factor in coaching, health, luck, and execution, all factors we couldn't assess (yet). Raji demonstrated he's capable of playing at a high level, but if he fails this year, with the position change, that's on him. It's just one example of how it's difficult to attribute all success/failures at the feet of one coach or GM. Not to say you can't blame them for trends over time, I'm just saying why I couldn't say if I'd consider it ted's failure or not.
uffda udfa  
#211 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 3:52:09 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
I can't say if I'd consider it a failure or not. I don't view a season that way, meaning you have to factor in coaching, health, luck, and execution, all factors we couldn't assess (yet). Raji demonstrated he's capable of playing at a high level, but if he fails this year, with the position change, that's on him. It's just one example of how it's difficult to attribute all success/failures at the feet of one coach or GM. Not to say you can't blame them for trends over time, I'm just saying why I couldn't say if I'd consider it ted's failure or not.


I'm talking about his entire tenure. If we don't reach another SB in the next two Ted Thompson seasons has his time in Green Bay been a failure? It's an absolute YES to me. To have the guy who could very well be the best ever to play QB and reach one SB is a monumental failure.
DoddPower  
#212 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:22:05 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm talking about his entire tenure. If we don't reach another SB in the next two Ted Thompson seasons has his time in Green Bay been a failure? It's an absolute YES to me. To have the guy who could very well be the best ever to play QB and reach one SB is a monumental failure.


Even if the Packers do win another Super Bowl soon, you will likely be saying he's a failure because his team hasn't won three championships yet.

Dammit, I regressed and actually read one of your posts. I think it was just because it was so short I could read it while scrolling. My bad.
uffda udfa  
#213 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:07:05 PM(UTC)
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Even if the Packers do win another Super Bowl soon, you will likely be saying he's a failure because his team hasn't won three championships yet.

Dammit, I regressed and actually read one of your posts. I think it was just because it was so short I could read it while scrolling. My bad.


Ha! Shame on you, DP! No... a SuperBowl victory in the next two years, or even an appearance, and I'd call it successful. I'm not holding my breath as I'd look like a Vikings fan as purple as I'd be.

dfosterf  
#214 Posted : Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:00:23 PM(UTC)
He is squandering a once in a lifetime QB opportunity. He keeps jacking around with draft picks and not filling holes. We have been extraordinarily lucky with the QB position. To credit Ted Thompson with that is somewhat of a joke, as NO ONE knows what happens there... witness what the fool did last year regarding back-ups...

Ted is winging it. I think Mike McCarthy deservers far more credit than given. Ted seems mentally slow, to a scary degree. No one there to challenge it. We are asleep at the switch, by design. Being from Wisconsin can be embarrassing.
yooperfan  
#215 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:01:00 AM(UTC)
I think this should be the defining year for both Thompson and McCarthy.
If the Packers only go 1 and done or don't even make the playoffs, neither should be extended.
They will have proven to me that they are incapable of moving this team forward despite having the best QB in the game.
The Rodgers window is closing.
Only 1 Lombardi during Rodgers career would be a crime.
Zero2Cool  
#216 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:04:38 AM(UTC)
dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
He is squandering a once in a lifetime QB opportunity. He keeps jacking around with draft picks and not filling holes. We have been extraordinarily lucky with the QB position. To credit Ted Thompson with that is somewhat of a joke, as NO ONE knows what happens there... witness what the fool did last year regarding back-ups...

Ted is winging it. I think Mike McCarthy deservers far more credit than given. Ted seems mentally slow, to a scary degree. No one there to challenge it. We are asleep at the switch, by design. Being from Wisconsin can be embarrassing.


You're squandering a once in a generation period of your teams stellar excellence. You keep jacking around thinking hindsight observation makes you more wise than those making the decisions prior to hindsight. To your credit, you keep watching, you keep following and you rooting for your team.

To answer the question of the topic. Yes, Ted Thompson should be extended. The evidence is all in favor of such a move. Any true Packers fan would understand.


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sschind  
#217 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:21:12 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
You're squandering a once in a generation period of your teams stellar excellence. You keep jacking around thinking hindsight observation makes you more wise than those making the decisions prior to hindsight. To your credit, you keep watching, you keep following and you rooting for your team.

To answer the question of the topic. Yes, Ted Thompson should be extended. The evidence is all in favor of such a move. Any true Packers fan would understand.



You don't like us calling each other names but you use the phrase "any true Packers fan" and that is probably the most insulting thing you can say to anyone on this forum, doubting their loyalty. You really don't think Uffda is a true Packers fan? I do, I don't agree with his line of thinking but I don't think that makes him any less of a Packer fan than you or me.

Whenever you say things that put a fan's sincerity into question it puts your own sincerity into question as far as I am concerned. Someone doesn't agree with what you say so you claim to be a better fan than they are. Not very classy IMO.

I certainly include Brett Favre's recent statement in that as well. He is saying a true fan would forgive and forget but how does he know how his actions affect other people. Some people are far more sensitive to those sorts of things. I don't blame them for holding a grudge. I don't agree with them but I understand where they are coming from and it doesn't make them false fans.
steveishere  
#218 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:42:07 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Just think what this team is minus Aaron Rodgers when you hail TT's generally good performance. His generally good performance is actually pretty substandard minus him. Oh, I know... RC18, Finley and Clay were also out... 2-5-1. If not for the miracle at Dallas 1-6-1. Heck, we barely beat dreadful Atlanta in our yard...but we almost got the brutal Steelers so I suppose that evens one of them.




Well where the team was - Aaron Rodgers + Wallace/Tolzien was bad but where it was - Aaron Rodgers + Flynn not so bad. Ted goofed bad on the back up QB spot the last couple years but they were 2-2-1 with Flynn at QB last year and that's even with the other D injuries and whatnot. I don't think it's a stretch to believe they could have also won the Chicago and NY games if he were QBing too. It's not like Flynn is a juggernaut either this is a guy that nobody else wanted and lost a starting chance to Terrell Pryor and a back up job to Matt freakin' McGloin. The point is this team with at least semi-competent QB play isn't really as terrible as you are trying to say. It's just bad with awful QB play as any team would be.

Before you go there, I'm not excusing Ted for not having a competent back up QB last year I'm just pointing out that if we have one we aren't that bad.
Pack93z  
#219 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:00:45 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't like us calling each other names but you use the phrase "any true Packers fan" and that is probably the most insulting thing you can say to anyone on this forum, doubting their loyalty. You really don't think Uffda is a true Packers fan? I do, I don't agree with his line of thinking but I don't think that makes him any less of a Packer fan than you or me.

Whenever you say things that put a fan's sincerity into question it puts your own sincerity into question as far as I am concerned. Someone doesn't agree with what you say so you claim to be a better fan than they are. Not very classy IMO.


I think this is a fair statement.. I can't tell if the statement was made in jest or not. Being it is foster.. I would guess that to be the case. But the statement is fair either way in this section. My opinion.

On Uffda.... I think the guy is a plant to stir debate. Taking the polar opposite stand on just about anything. [grin1] <HumorAttempt>off</HumorAttempt>
StarrMax1  
#220 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:14:32 AM(UTC)
[laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

Only 85 pages to go!!!!

(100 was my prediction by the time Ted's contract runs out, or when the inevitable happens and his contract is extended!!!

This is as much fun as predicting the Packers record every year.

I have enjoyed reading the opinions of the members who have posted in rebuttal, it is a lot easier surfing through this thread since I put the main combatant on ignore.

The simple question to ask is, who is available that would do a better job then Ted Thompson ????

I am betting Ted will decide to leave at the end of this contract, and unlike when Wolf left, the Upper management along with Ted will have an exit plan in place so The Packers will continue to compete for The Lombardi every year.










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