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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:04:27 AM(UTC)
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Morgan Burnett has not done a whole lot during today's padded practice. Certainly he is physically limited.

What if it is a message though? What if Micah Hyde and Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix form a better tandem than Burnett with either? What do the Packers do with Burnett? Release him? Trade him? Drop him down the depth chart?


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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:09:21 AM(UTC)
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No chance

It would cost 2m to cut him and he's the only S on the team with actual game experience at that position. He had a down year but he had 2 pretty good years before that. Way too premature to talk about cutting the guy.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:21:14 AM(UTC)
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I hope Burnett is okay. He continues to watch practice from the sidelines.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:22:03 AM(UTC)
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ya he was great before the ball hand club thingy - hes been decent since but not great

like to see him back to his rookie year ability.

Im not sold on hyde yet - dont remember seeing him do much besides run a few back.

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#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:26:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
No chance

It would cost 2m to cut him and he's the only S on the team with actual game experience at that position. He had a down year but he had 2 pretty good years before that. Way too premature to talk about cutting the guy.


You're probably right that he will not be cut.

http://www.pro-football-...m/players/B/BurnMo99.htm

The increase in his numbers were solely due to every team having to pass the ball 40+ times in hopes of keeping up with the Packers. You remove that element and he's barely average. So he hasn't even really had one good year and he's entering his 5th season.

Sean Richardson and someone else would have to really come on strong for the Packers to move (e.g. trade) Burnett.

2013 PFF had 62 Safeties ranked higher than Burnett.
2012 PFF had 14 Safeties ranked higher than Burnett.
2011 PFF had 30 Safeties ranked higher than Burnett.


Yikes, that was depressing lol
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Offline steveishere  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:01:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You're probably right that he will not be cut.

http://www.pro-football-...m/players/B/BurnMo99.htm

The increase in his numbers were solely due to every team having to pass the ball 40+ times in hopes of keeping up with the Packers. You remove that element and he's barely average. So he hasn't even really had one good year and he's entering his 5th season.

Sean Richardson and someone else would have to really come on strong for the Packers to move (e.g. trade) Burnett.

2013 PFF had 62 Safeties ranked higher than Burnett.
2012 PFF had 14 Safeties ranked higher than Burnett.
2011 PFF had 30 Safeties ranked higher than Burnett.


Yikes, that was depressing lol



Solely? Really? Bull, there's no question Burnett played better in 2012 and 2011 than he did last year. 2011 was his first year actually playing since he blew out his knee as a rookie then he took a good jump his next year and became a good starter. For whatever reason he did take a step back last year also remember he missed the first 4 weeks of the season with an injury so who knows if that affected him. If he's garbage again this year then yeah he's on the bubble especially with the competition we've got at the position now but he's still going to be our starting S this year.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:37:49 AM(UTC)
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I don't buy the low ranking thing; I don't buy the increasing negativity in general about Burnett; Aside from any lingering injury or physical stuff, I think Burnett's problem was lack of a second good Safety back there. Hopefully, this year he will have some quality back there with him, whichever of the other three it is. That $300,000 per game roster bonus is interesting, though. That's a LOT of money that could be saved by cutting him - although I really don't see it happening. I assume he would be due the roster bonus if he was put on IR and not cut, right? Anybody know for sure about that?
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:43:26 AM(UTC)
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Burnett's position coach has said he worries too much about covering other peoples mistakes instead of his own position responsibilities. In other words, he's the opposite of A.J. Hawk who you tell him to be at this spot at this time, you know he is going to be there.


FS means Fragile Safety.
Is safety Morgan Burnett OK? He missed lot of practice.
McCarthy: I was told he tweaked his ankle.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:57:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Burnett's position coach has said he worries too much about covering other peoples mistakes instead of his own position responsibilities. In other words, he's the opposite of A.J. Hawk who you tell him to be at this spot at this time, you know he is going to be there.


FS means Fragile Safety.
Is safety Morgan Burnett OK? He missed lot of practice.
McCarthy: I was told he tweaked his ankle.


They know what they've got with Burnett. Why not get Hyde and Clinton-Dix some reps?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:33:25 PM(UTC)
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This MintCanadianDrivel guy must be slow, real slow, to start such a ludicrous thread. Burnett will be one starter, and Ha Ha and Hyde will both be on the field a lot. I think the plan is for Hyde to start, but move to the slot in nickel and dime sub-packages. Ha-Ha will take the free safety position in the sub packages, unless he can beat out Hyde during training camp.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:16:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
No chance

It would cost 2m to cut him and he's the only S on the team with actual game experience at that position. He had a down year but he had 2 pretty good years before that. Way too premature to talk about cutting the guy.


I agree with Steve. Our safeties sucked last year so you are going to cut the one guy with decent game experience at the position and who has had decent years at the position in the past in favor of a rookie and a 2nd year man who hasn't played the position before. If Hyde and Dix beat out Burnett and they end up being the two best safeties then by all means start them over Burnett but to suggest cutting him is just plan silly. You need more than just 2 starters and if Burnett is your man off the bench I think that says something positive for your depth at the position.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:18:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Burnett's position coach has said he worries too much about covering other peoples mistakes instead of his own position responsibilities. In other words, he's the opposite of A.J. Hawk who you tell him to be at this spot at this time, you know he is going to be there.


FS means Fragile Safety.
Is safety Morgan Burnett OK? He missed lot of practice.
McCarthy: I was told he tweaked his ankle.


Isn't that exactly what you want a Safety to do? I mean if he doesn't do it, who will?

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:03:56 PM(UTC)
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In addition to what has been said, when is depth not critical during a season. What happened at qb last year?
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:53:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MintBaconDrivel Go to Quoted Post
Morgan Burnett has not done a whole lot during today's padded practice. Certainly he is physically limited.

What if it is a message though? What if Micah Hyde and Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix form a better tandem than Burnett with either? What do the Packers do with Burnett? Release him? Trade him? Drop him down the depth chart?



Burnett was limited today because he tweaked an ankle. Let's not start throwing him under the bus just quite yet.

Rodgers didn't throw it that well today in practice. Maybe he's losing it.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:56:20 PM(UTC)
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Exactly. He tweaked his ankle. He'll be fine. Why if someone gets nicked up do we already start talking about cutting him. Way too knee jerk here.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:30:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
Exactly. He tweaked his ankle. He'll be fine. Why if someone gets nicked up do we already start talking about cutting him. Way too knee jerk here.


lol the first line clearly states that "Certainly he is physically limited."

Originally Posted by: MintBaconDrivel Go to Quoted Post
Morgan Burnett has not done a whole lot during today's padded practice. Certainly he is physically limited.

What if it is a message though? What if Micah Hyde and Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix form a better tandem than Burnett with either? What do the Packers do with Burnett? Release him? Trade him? Drop him down the depth chart?



No, Burnett won't be released. That is just silly talk, but who's to say he couldn't be moved via trade? We lack the depth for a trade so that makes it unlikely.

The remark about which TANDEM makes the Packers better is something we should be keying on in this topic, I think.

What if lets say ...

Burnett + Hyde = 30
Burnett + Clinton-Dix = 40
Clinton-Dix + Hyde = 70


Obviously, you start the best TANDEM, right?
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#17 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:59:47 AM(UTC)
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I've read that ALL THREE may be used in some packages, so even the tandem argument doesn't really apply.

even if Burnett was significantly hurt/under performing we're left with Banjo and Richardson for depth. The Packers will hire Jerry Jones to be GM before they cut/trade Burnett this year.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2014 6:19:17 AM(UTC)
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Even when he's available, he's not that good. And now he's not even able to practice.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:25:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
I've read that ALL THREE may be used in some packages, so even the tandem argument doesn't really apply.


They have already shown the packages where Hyde moves to CB in certain Nickel and Dime situations. I don't see Burnett being cut before this season plays out unless we get some lopsided trade in our favor, and I don't see why any suitors would come calling for Burnett at this point. I want to see this play out with all three playing this season.

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#20 Posted : Friday, August 1, 2014 7:19:31 PM(UTC)
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#21 Posted : Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:46:52 PM(UTC)
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This thread did get me thinking about Burnett's long-term future. If Micah Hyde and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix emerge as viable starters, then Burnett is expendable. I like Burnett, and I think he'll be better if he's playing with somebody he trusts on the backend, but the team is better with Hyde on the field. Putting Burnett’s long-term future aside, I do love the versatility of this year’s secondary.

Both Casey Heyward and Davone House are having good camps. We know what we have in Sam Shields and Tramon Williams. Hyde’s move to safety has gone smooth and Clinton-Dix is certainly a better alternative than M.D. Jennings is.

Everybody is looking at the front seven, but the secondary is the strength of the defense.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, August 3, 2014 12:55:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
This thread did get me thinking about Burnett's long-term future. If Micah Hyde and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix emerge as viable starters, then Burnett is expendable. I like Burnett, and I think he'll be better if he's playing with somebody he trusts on the backend, but the team is better with Hyde on the field. Putting Burnett’s long-term future aside, I do love the versatility of this year’s secondary.

Both Casey Heyward and Davone House are having good camps. We know what we have in Sam Shields and Tramon Williams. Hyde’s move to safety has gone smooth and Clinton-Dix is certainly a better alternative than M.D. Jennings is.

Everybody is looking at the front seven, but the secondary is the strength of the defense.


Clintin-Dix didn't get as much playing time at family night as Richardson and didn't do as much with his time.

He may end up 4th on the depth chart.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing, He can take more time to catch on like Nick Collins did.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, August 3, 2014 2:52:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Clintin-Dix didn't get as much playing time at family night as Richardson and didn't do as much with his time.

He may end up 4th on the depth chart.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing, He can take more time to catch on like Nick Collins did.


You mean unlike Nick Collins did? ... Collins was a starter every year... he missed 3 starts in his first 6 years... and those were all in one year and due to injury.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:54:14 PM(UTC)
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You mean unlike Nick Collins did? ... Collins was a starter every year... he missed 3 starts in his first 6 years... and those were all in one year and due to injury.

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No, I meant as in Nick really didn't really catch on for the first couple years. Not that he didn't play.
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