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Offline Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 6:27:31 PM(UTC)

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I like the things to watch comments. I like to see what others feel are important to see. I am sure we all have our own, but the same can be said about opinions, yet we share those freely.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 6:56:33 PM(UTC)

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I like the things to watch comments. I like to see what others feel are important to see. I am sure we all have our own, but the same can be said about opinions, yet we share those freely.


But you don't understand. This article is TELLING me what I MUST watch for. I really wanted to watch to see if the long snapper position was up for grabs and I wanted to see if James Starks was still going to be a running back or if they were going to switch him to holder for extra points. I was looking forward to seeing if the defense still lined up on the opposite side of the ball than the offense and I was really excited to be able to see if the refs were still using whistles. Instead, I have to watch for the 5 things this article says I have to watch for. My free will has been taken away. In fact I am not even watching the game. I was so infuriated by the notion that I had to watch these 5 things that I decided to put my foot down. I refuse to allow some article writer tell me what I have to watch for. I would rather not watch the game than be told what I have to watch for.

If only the writer had said "5 things I will be watching for" or "5 things I think are important" That simple change to the title of the article would still have allowed me to watch the things I wanted to watch for while giving me some ideas as to some other things that HE thinks are important that I may have missed.

I wish these writers of opinion pieces would go out of their way to tell me they are writing their opinion. That way I would know that I could feel free to look upon their writings as suggestions rather than dictates that I have no choice but to follow. Some of us need it spelled out you know, we can't figure it out on our own that they are opinions.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 8:14:53 PM(UTC)

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sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
But you don't understand. This article is TELLING me what I MUST watch for. I really wanted to watch to see if the long snapper position was up for grabs and I wanted to see if James Starks was still going to be a running back or if they were going to switch him to holder for extra points. I was looking forward to seeing if the defense still lined up on the opposite side of the ball than the offense and I was really excited to be able to see if the refs were still using whistles. Instead, I have to watch for the 5 things this article says I have to watch for. My free will has been taken away. In fact I am not even watching the game. I was so infuriated by the notion that I had to watch these 5 things that I decided to put my foot down. I refuse to allow some article writer tell me what I have to watch for. I would rather not watch the game than be told what I have to watch for.

If only the writer had said "5 things I will be watching for" or "5 things I think are important" That simple change to the title of the article would still have allowed me to watch the things I wanted to watch for while giving me some ideas as to some other things that HE thinks are important that I may have missed.

I wish these writers of opinion pieces would go out of their way to tell me they are writing their opinion. That way I would know that I could feel free to look upon their writings as suggestions rather than dictates that I have no choice but to follow. Some of us need it spelled out you know, we can't figure it out on our own that they are opinions.


I like it! Bring that passion... mock my intelligence. The difference may be subtle to you but to me it's ridiculous to post one of those articles on a site like this. Plus, it was from "Lombardi Avenue" no less making it even less relevant.

If I typed a post titled, "5 Things to Watch For", that would be a little presumptive of me. Who am I to tell you, a fan who understands the game, what you should be watching for? If I said, "5 Things I'm Watching For" the meaning is completely changed. I have taken it from what you should do to my opinion. World's apart.

It is further funny that what bothers me, bothers you because it bothers me. That's even greater stuff right there.

Can't wait until next week so I can learn the 5 new things I should be watching for. Some guy who has never been an athlete in his life and has followed this team for less years than I have surely has the answers. A wives club who is trying to get into football to support their husbands passion is one thing, but posting those articles here is a bit insulting. No place or need for them here. We know what to watch for. We know what TC battles are taking place and where we're deficient as a team. IF we're fans who actually pay attention to this team.

Offline evad04  
#19 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 8:58:10 PM(UTC)

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Somewhere in there I think uffda is a good guy. But much like how McCarthy's earned detractors based on style points (or rather, lack of style) at his pressers, uffda's made few friends with his delivery.

You're clearly a knowledgeable fan. But it seems you're trying too hard to be a villain. Or a hotshot Packer maven. Or a, I don't know, a dude who flies against the grain because the band's first album is way better than the rest.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:37:34 PM(UTC)

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Somewhere in there I think uffda is a good guy. But much like how McCarthy's earned detractors based on style points (or rather, lack of style) at his pressers, uffda's made few friends with his delivery.

You're clearly a knowledgeable fan. But it seems you're trying too hard to be a villain. Or a hotshot Packer maven. Or a, I don't know, a dude who flies against the grain because the band's first album is way better than the rest.


Not really going for the villain. I would just say that I'm incompatible. My perspective is very different. That doesn't mean it's better... just different. Personally, I enjoy the eccentrics in life who are different...those who don't really fit and are unique due to their awkwardness. I also enjoy running across people who happen to share my different perspective.

The hotshot Packer maven is an interesting allegation. I see a lot of wannabes in reference to guys on boards like these who posit themselves that way and it's a big pet peeve of mine. If I come across as if I think I'm a big hotshot then I've become the very thing I hate. I would hope that my disdain for some of the things I can't stand isn't perceived that way. Nobody should ever let themselves be defined by typing on a message board regarding a meaningless game.

Against the grain works for me... I surely do that. I just don't like the grain so of course I'd be going against it.

Do you really believe an article about what we should be watching for should be posted among savvy Packers followers? I don't. It bothers me to a certain degree...I certainly don't lose it over it but for fun I blasted those types of articles. I would hope I never see another on this site.

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#21 Posted : Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:24:32 PM(UTC)

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A post is a post. This forum has been nothing but chirping crickets as of late. It needs more activity and this is a start.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:53:22 AM(UTC)

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I would hardly call that a game. More like a organized scrimmage. I remember when I was a kid the preseason games were real games they just didn't count in the standings. Last night's organized activity was a real snoozer.

You can tell from the attitude of the coaches on down how little they valued the activity. Certainly individuals have to put out some effort in order to make the team but the game calling an so on what totally devoid of anything of substance.

I had to laugh when the broadcaster with so much keen insight announced to the viewing audience that GB was 0-4 (or was it 0-3?) last year in 2 point conversion attempts therefor GB NEEDS to practice it in real game situations. No one of the field would be out there in a real game. That 2 point attempt was a wasted "exercise" but since Mikey doesn't care about the OTA they were participating in the results didn't matter.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:06:24 AM(UTC)

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I would hardly call that a game. More like a organized scrimmage. I remember when I was a kid the preseason games were real games they just didn't count in the standings. Last night's organized activity was a real snoozer.

You can tell from the attitude of the coaches on down how little they valued the activity. Certainly individuals have to put out some effort in order to make the team but the game calling an so on what totally devoid of anything of substance.

I had to laugh when the broadcaster with so much keen insight announced to the viewing audience that GB was 0-4 (or was it 0-3?) last year in 2 point conversion attempts therefor GB NEEDS to practice it in real game situations. No one of the field would be out there in a real game. That 2 point attempt was a wasted "exercise" but since Mikey doesn't care about the OTA they were participating in the results didn't matter.


The 2 point conversion wasn't about practicing 2 point attempts it was to get Tolzien another play after his last series. It was much less of a wasted exercise than kicking a FG would have been. Coaches don't call plays in these games to win they call them to evaluate players. I don't get why people get so hung up on this stuff in the preseason, especially play calling. If it's a situation where they would normally run the ball but they want to get a look at the QBs arm on a certain play they'll call a pass. If they would normally need to call passing plays but they just put a new RB in that they want a good look at they'll call running plays. Winning the game has literally 0 relevance to anything.
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#24 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:32:15 AM(UTC)

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evad04 said: Go to Quoted Post
Somewhere in there I think uffda is a good guy. But much like how McCarthy's earned detractors based on style points (or rather, lack of style) at his pressers, uffda's made few friends with his delivery.

You're clearly a knowledgeable fan. But it seems you're trying too hard to be a villain. Or a hotshot Packer maven. Or a, I don't know, a dude who flies against the grain because the band's first album is way better than the rest.



I agree, I think if we were to meet at a bar or at the game or something we could have a good time and have a laugh or two over these internet ramblings. I have nothing against him personally and I don't even have anything against his posts for the most part. It's just that he makes it so easy to go against him. Just like we make it easy for him. He is a passionate Packers fan and they are the best kind. He doesn't think like a lot of us do but there is nothing wrong with that.

That doesn't mean I will stop.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:14:33 AM(UTC)

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Watching the replay now (1st quarter). I was happy with the first offensive drive. I just want to see a team that looks prepared and can carry out the vanilla plays. This has to be taken into consideration with Tennessee running a new defensive scheme but still, Starks made some good cuts.

Interesting move by the Pack to avoid injuries by just not playing some starters. It made me think we should have just ran the offense with no O-line.

Adams was helping out evaluation of the D by dropping the ball a couple times.

Even though it is pre-season, I am happy to see the green and gold uniforms on the field for some action. I smiled when I saw Harris with the good return. I like his back-story and am cheering for the guy.
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#26 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:57:22 AM(UTC)

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steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
The 2 point conversion wasn't about practicing 2 point attempts it was to get Tolzien another play after his last series. It was much less of a wasted exercise than kicking a FG would have been. Coaches don't call plays in these games to win they call them to evaluate players. I don't get why people get so hung up on this stuff in the preseason, especially play calling. If it's a situation where they would normally run the ball but they want to get a look at the QBs arm on a certain play they'll call a pass. If they would normally need to call passing plays but they just put a new RB in that they want a good look at they'll call running plays. Winning the game has literally 0 relevance to anything.


I agree that winning has no relevance. That is why I am saying this is not an "exhibition "game" or preseason "game". It is not much more than a scrimmage which is why I think the teams should not charge full price for these kinds of "games".

I disagree with your contention that the 2 point conversion was another attempt t evaluate Tolzien. If that was the case Mike would not have sent the FG team out there first. He change his mind during the replay review. I think he figured it was like free money. They were already up by 7 so it didn't matter if they were successful or not. One more play does not do anything one way or another to evaluate a player.

The conversation play was only 1 play that showed how little they cared about the "game" as a whole which makes for some incredibly boring football.
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