uffda udfa
9 years ago

Ditto. One injured rookie season and one preseason game are nowhere near a large enough sample size to come to any conclusions.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



So, how would you characterize Datone Jones up to this point? Can't be anything other than disappointing. That is what busts are...disappointing. You feel he's just off to a very poor start in Green Bay and will become something this year, or down the road?

This just feels all too familiar to me. Another high defensive pick who is not a player. Why is Josh Boyd so much better at this point? It's hard to reconcile that question. Boyd is good... Datone is not. Why? A first rounder should develop quicker than a 5th rounder. Boyd was a guy who as a 5th may or may not have even made the team. He made the team and got more playing time than Jones because he's better. He's still better this year. Datone is starting off of reputation as a 1st rounder...nothing else. Boyd is the better player.

It's time to call the fight. Datone is never going to be anywhere near what he was supposed to be for us. I'd settle for him being like AJ Hawk, at this point.

I agree with Michael Rodney over at PackerUpdate.net...

DATONE JONES – Speaking of not standing out, last year’s No. 1 pick continued his ho-hum summer vs. the Titans. Jones received plenty of playing time in the first half, but he just didn’t do enough – either as a base end or as an inside pass rusher. In all honesty, he looks like just a guy. The former UCLA standout still seems to be developing positional instincts and awareness to blocking schemes. He also needs to improve his pad level. And while I do like his motor and the energy he brings to the huddle, that’s not enough when you’re talking about a player picked 26th overall in the draft.
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steveishere
9 years ago
Boyd 103 defensive snaps
Jones 263 defensive snaps

Not really "far less playing time" last year. Also Boyd is IMO irrelevant, you are using him to trash Jones simply because of his draft status. What if Boyd is actually just a good player? Is Mike Daniels not as good as a 1st rounder who has the exact same production because he was a 4th rounder?

Jones problem last year was he wasn't strong enough to play in base defense but he still ended up tied for 5th in sacks for rookies. Sacks don't mean everything but they don't mean nothing. He had a disappointing year last year but it's that way for a lot of rookies. We haven't even seen him in a real game yet this year and as of now it looks like he's starting at DE. Heck Daniels didn't do much his rookie year either.

I expect to see some positive progression from 1st year to 2nd year so I'll be worried if Jones doesn't take a decent step this year but I'll wait to actually watch him in some real football games before I judge whether that's happened or not. Also it didn't look to me like he was getting thrown around and blown off the ball or anything last night. Our run D was pretty good early on and Tennessee has a good OL.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

Boyd 103 defensive snaps
Jones 263 defensive snaps

Not really "far less playing time" last year. Also Boyd is IMO irrelevant, you are using him to trash Jones simply because of his draft status. What if Boyd is actually just a good player? Is Mike Daniels not as good as a 1st rounder who has the exact same production because he was a 4th rounder?

Jones problem last year was he wasn't strong enough to play in base defense but he still ended up tied for 5th in sacks for rookies. Sacks don't mean everything but they don't mean nothing. He had a disappointing year last year but it's that way for a lot of rookies. We haven't even seen him in a real game yet this year and as of now it looks like he's starting at DE. Heck Daniels didn't do much his rookie year either.

I expect to see some positive progression from 1st year to 2nd year so I'll be worried if Jones doesn't take a decent step this year but I'll wait to actually watch him in some real football games before I judge whether that's happened or not. Also it didn't look to me like he was getting thrown around and blown off the ball or anything last night. Our run D was pretty good early on and Tennessee has a good OL.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



First, I was wrong...Boyd was a SIXTH rounder not 5th... As for the playing time issue, Boyd was inactive for almost half the season. (7 of first 9 games) At the end, who was on the field and who wasn't? Boyd got a lot more playing time than Jones. Jones got his snap advantage by being a 1st rounder. Boyd sits out half the season and is the guy playing at the end while Jones is sidelining it. That is flat out disappointing. Our 6th rounder is a player but our 1st rounder isn't. Of course, I'm going to use Boyd in comparison to Jones and Worthy as well. Again, two big misses up high for this organization. Boyd is a good player and I'm happy for that. It helps soften the blow of missing on Worthy and Jones. However, it should be mentioned that a 6th rounder lucky to make the team being drafted in Round 6 is a much better player than our 1st rounder.

Boyd and Daniels are very promising young guys. It's just shameful we continue missing on high defensive picks. What in the world kind of D would we have it we'd actually hit on Worthy, Jones, or Perry? We've gotten next to nothing from those guys.

Please, prove me wrong, Datone. Shed that disappointing label you've earned and make plays. I don't want to watch another season of brutal defense but I'm afraid that's exactly what I'm in for.

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voiceofreason
9 years ago
A bust? After 1 year? By that logic Aaron Rodgers was a bust because he provided far less in his first year that Datone did in his. You sir are bananas!
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

A bust? After 1 year? By that logic Aaron Rodgers was a bust because he provided far less in his first year that Datone did in his. You sir are bananas!

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



Was Jamal Reynolds a bust after one year? Did you need more than that? A bust is a bust. There are many players you can label a bust pretty quickly. Christian Ponder was a guy who I thought was a bust after 1 year. He's still a bust. The Aaron Rodgers thing doesn't make much sense. He wasn't drafted to play Year 1. Datone Jones was.

Is it possible Datone won't be a bust...sure. Is it possible he is a bust, right now, and you just haven't realized it yet...sure. I have concluded that he's a bust. He may not be. I hope I'm wrong. You can no more say he's not a bust than I can he is. It is my opinion he's a bust and will remain so.
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voiceofreason
9 years ago
So your definition is that if a player does not play well in his first year he is a bust. Thank goodness your not the GM, because Nick Collins was terrible for multiple years. Calling a player a bust is about the harshest thing you can say. I find it disrespectful when people throw it around all willy nilly.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

So your definition is that if a player does not play well in his first year he is a bust. Thank goodness your not the GM, because Nick Collins was terrible for multiple years. Calling a player a bust is about the harshest thing you can say. I find it disrespectful when people throw it around all willy nilly.

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What makes you conclude that I throw it around willy nilly?

Nick Collins was from Bethune Cookman...not UCLA. Nick Collins was not a 1st rounder. Collins being from a small school and with a Wonderlic of 14 needed time. A 1st rounder from UCLA should be much more pro ready. Same as Jamal Reynolds from Florida State.

These guys from big time programs are in totally different boats than guys like Collins who are usually going to take time being from nowhere programs. There are always exceptions to every rule, but it makes great sense it took Collins time to get it. He also had incredible measurables that were worth waiting on. Is Datone Jones some unique athlete for that position? I don't think so.

Did I say I would cut the guy already? No. I do believe he will be just another high defensive pick who failed to live up to his lofty draft status. He wasn't good enough last year to be on the field over a 6th rounder. He's not standing out this year either. Oftentimes, if someone is going to be a player for us we hear about it early on. I will admit we heard that about Jones early on until his ankle got hurt. However, NONE of us us ever saw this stuff being written about because it wasn't happening in games it was happening in practices. I remember buzz on Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb, etc...some guys are just players straight out of the gate. Datone is a Terrell Buckley who is always talking about how great he's going to be with absolutely no basis in reality. Guys like him usually don't ever measure up to their mouths. I don't think he will.

We shall see.
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beast
9 years ago
We're barely (not really) into his second year... after their first preseason game in their second year I'm pretty sure most Packers fans were still doubting Rodgers, Collins, Nelson, Tramon Williams, Daniels, Raji, Kampman... etc... how about we at least give him a couple of real games into his 2nd season before judging more?

Jones could be a bust... but it seems you're jumping off the boat pretty quickly... heck Peppers didn't stand out that much ether, among others...
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earthquake
9 years ago
Jordy Nelson was taken just outside of the 1st round(36th overall). It took him until year 4 to really show up as a dominate player. There are countless other examples of similar stories within the packers and around the league. The fact of the matter is, is that it's too early, after 1 season and 1 preseason game, to call Jones a bust.

Justin Harrell was a bust, this is an easy statement to make because hindsight is 20-20. Jones has already shown more in 1 year than Harrell showed his entire career.

We get it, you think maybe he might be a bust, someday. Cool, you're entitled to that opinion, but what purpose does repeating that every other post serve? Nobody misunderstands what you're saying.
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Laser Gunns
9 years ago
I think that Jones has unfortunately, come in at a time when most packer fans have little/no patience for injuries.

AJ Hawk is looking pretty damn good to me just because he shows up.

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