uffda udfa
9 years ago

Jordy Nelson was taken just outside of the 1st round(36th overall). It took him until year 4 to really show up as a dominate player. There are countless other examples of similar stories within the packers and around the league. The fact of the matter is, is that it's too early, after 1 season and 1 preseason game, to call Jones a bust.

Justin Harrell was a bust, this is an easy statement to make because hindsight is 20-20. Jones has already shown more in 1 year than Harrell showed his entire career.

We get it, you think maybe he might be a bust, someday. Cool, you're entitled to that opinion, but what purpose does repeating that every other post serve? Nobody misunderstands what you're saying.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



I re-state because many think it's insane for me to say it and have stated that in rebuttal.

Jones may have shown more than Harrell but Boyd showed more than Jones and Josh wasn't a world beater last year. It is unnerving to see a 1st rounder get outplayed by a 6th. If Demetri Goodson has a better first year than Ha Ha, that doesn't bode well for Ha Ha.

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earthquake
9 years ago

I re-state because many think it's insane for me to say it and have stated that in rebuttal.

Jones may have shown more than Harrell but Boyd showed more than Jones and Josh wasn't a world beater last year. It is unnerving to see a 1st rounder get outplayed by a 6th. If Demetri Goodson has a better first year than Ha Ha, that doesn't bode well for Ha Ha.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Brady is a better QB than almost every other QB ever and he was taken in the 6th round.

There are many possible scenarios that will play out, Boyd may be better than Jones in the long term, it won't be the first time a late draft pick or UDA is better than a 1st round pick, nor will it be the last. Jones may be better than Boyd in the long term, and both players may be quite good as well. All of these seem about equally plausible to me at this point.

Both could suffer career ending injuries tomorrow, point is, its way too early to tell how either player with fair in the long term.

Again its perfectly fine to speculate or give your opinion, but to go on and on and on like you do about everything is simply nauseating.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Brady is a better QB than almost every other QB ever and he was taken in the 6th round.

There are many possible scenarios that will play out, Boyd may be better than Jones in the long term, it won't be the first time a late draft pick or UDA is better than a 1st round pick, nor will it be the last. Jones may be better than Boyd in the long term, and both players may be quite good as well. All of these seem about equally plausible to me at this point.

Both could suffer career ending injuries tomorrow, point is, its way too early to tell how either player with fair in the long term.

Again its perfectly fine to speculate or give your opinion, but to go on and on and on like you do about everything is simply nauseating.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



Yes, I'm aware of Brady's situation. He wasn't taken 6th when there was a corresponding 1st rounder taken the same year. Had he been it would've been very disappointing their 1st wasn't as good as he was. Yes, Bledsoe was a former 1st...but not the same deal. I said above there is always exceptions to every rule. However, the overwhelming amount of times a 1st will outplay a 6th, and EVERY time you expect a 1st to be better than a 6th...if not, you would've taken the 6th in the 1st.

It may be nauseating to you but, again, I'm ONE poster giving an opinion. ONE. I have to read several that go against what I think and I say nothing about it save for repeating and repositioning and expanding my viewpoint.

Why can't you just say...Hey, you're right, it is disappointing how Datone Jones has impacted the Green Bay Packers up to this point? However, I believe it may take time for him as it often does with DL.

No, you don't do that... the focus is not on your own opinion it is on how wrong mine is. I find that curious. State what you think...I'm really not interested in knowing that you think I'm wrong and nauseating but feel free to keep wasting keystrokes telling me.



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voiceofreason
9 years ago
You cant label a player a bust and then say you don't want them cut. As I stated before a BUST is maybe the worst thing you can call a player. It means they have no further value. If you truly feel Datone is a bust, and you don't want him cut, you are promoting a wasted roster spot.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
My goodness, this is still going?? Look, the player hasn't even been in the league for three years.

http://packershome.com/Draft 
Set it to 2011
And then pick on someone who has had three years to prove/disprove themsevles!!!
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evad04
9 years ago
Uffda -- I think you have an unhealthy obsession with where a player is drafted. It should make no difference whether a contributor comes from the 1st round, the 7th or is undrafted.

Green Bay will be no better/worse off if, for instance, the top contributors from a given draft class are all guys from rounds 4-7.

As they say in baseball: "He gets on base. Why the hell do I care how?"

Some people continue to hold A.J. Hawk's No. 5 pick status against him because he never blossomed into a superstar. While it's true Hawk is no monster in the middle, he's hardly a chump. He's decent. But because he was picked fifth, he'll forever be a disappointment.

It works the other way, though. Look at a Josh Sitton. Some 134 players went before ol' Joshy, including first-round O-lineman in the NFC North in Detroit's Gosder "I'm Fucking Awful" Cherilus and Chris "Who" Williams.

Can you do a happy dance/heel click for the sub-1st round guys who ended up being studs? Don't we just need good players? Does it really matter where we get them from? Are you unfairly judging a second-year player because of Negative Nancy Syndrone? What would you do for a Klondike Bar?
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beast
9 years ago

My goodness, this is still going?? Look, the player hasn't even been in the league for three years.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yup... all of the subjects are still going... I think we (as Packers fans) are restless right now... and don't have much to talk about :(

http://packershome.com/Draft 
Set it to 2011
And then pick on someone who has had three years to prove/disprove themsevles!!!



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Mmm 2011? .. Only real questions I see from that year left are...

1) is Sherrod a bust?

2) Will Ryan Taylor keep making the team?

3) Also I've always wondered why don't we have Taylor backing up TE AND FB? ... I just don't see him being an amazing TE, I thought he might become a pretty good FB.
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voiceofreason
9 years ago
As far as I am concerned, bust is a dirty word. Even the national media, whose opinions change by the second don't use the B word for years. As far as I can tell Datone is a good kid who had 3.5 sacks his rookie year. Including 2 in one game against the NFC East champion Eagles. I come to this forum to support MY GREEN BAY PACKERS. If I want to bash 21 year old kids ill go to a Vikings forum.
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DarkaneRules
9 years ago
I will say no Uffda. He's got this year to prove himself. Now if you want to talk about Nick Perry rolling out there with the 3rd team yesterday... now you may have something.
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jlyons043
9 years ago
I don't think Datone is a bust, disappointing yeah but lets see what he does this year. Nick Perry on the other hand... He played with the backups vs TEN on Saturday and went up against the rookie Lewan and still did nothing.
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