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Offline OlHoss1884  
#1 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:49:39 AM(UTC)
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As I mentioned elsewhere it was tough to judge in the weather but here's a few things I saw from Saturday's game

1) Tolzien can hit his targets
2) Starks looks fast
3) The O-Line and WR all did a good job of staying on their blocks
4) Our secondary looked a lot less lost than last year.
5) I know it was raining like all hell but CATCH THE DAMNED KICK

I like the new extra point thing, I hope they eventually go with it
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#2 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:49:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
As I mentioned elsewhere it was tough to judge in the weather but here's a few things I saw from Saturday's game

1) Tolzien can hit his targets
2) Starks looks fast
3) The O-Line and WR all did a good job of staying on their blocks
4) Our secondary looked a lot less lost than last year.
5) I know it was raining like all hell but CATCH THE DAMNED KICK

I like the new extra point thing, I hope they eventually go with it


I hate the extra point thing. Goodell's trying to change the NFL into a high scoring version of Madden. I don't like the 2 point conversion rule either.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:05:42 AM(UTC)
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I like the 2 point conversion. I also think the XP is way too automatic and like that they've put it back to create more drama. 7 would no longer be guaranteed hence creating more 2 point opportunities which I enjoy. Those 2 point plays can be quite dramatic.

What I liked was James Starks tearing it up. Tretter not being a liability. Harper and Dorsey looking the part of Packers WR's. Rajion Neal looking like a UDFA steal (anyone remember Arian Foster?). Scott Tolzien's arm looking lively. Josh Boyd getting push. Jumal Rolle making two outstanding plays. We had some decent pressure last night. Failed to wrap up and make the play on the Titans best play of the evening. Harris also looks to have the same burst he did prior to the injury. Looked good on the opening kick return. That kid is unique. Our RB situation is so much different than it was heading into last off-season. A strength now.

A very disappointing night with the weather being what it was. An almost wasted evaluation giving us only two more legit ops before we have to slash to 75. It's a bit unfair to the fringe guys that they got cheated out of trying to stand out. Those who did just might be players. Rolle, Neal and Tolzien have to feel awfully good about themselves today.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:06:24 AM(UTC)
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Peppers hopefully is taking it easy for preseason, because he kinda sucked there, and had a pretty funny whiff on the 2nd play.

Dix made some very good tackles, driving back and tackling through a blocker once.

Brad Jones fucked up pretty bad to allow the Shonn Greene TD.

Harper sucks and needs to be cut. (Wide open TD drop, 3rd down drop, among others.)

RBs looked good. (Depending on O line)

QBs diddnt give the WRs many opportunities.


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#5 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:08:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
Peppers hopefully is taking it easy for preseason, because he kinda sucked there, and had a pretty funny whiff on the 2nd play.

Dix made some very good tackles, driving back and tackling through a blocker once.

Brad Jones f*cked up pretty bad to allow the Shonn Greene TD.

Harper sucks and needs to be cut. (Wide open TD drop, 3rd down drop, among others.)

RBs looked good. (Depending on O line)

QBs diddnt give the WRs many opportunities.


Yeah Brad Jones was slow to react on that TD but he also made more plays than anyone else otherwise. Peppers and Daniels also got blown out pretty bad that play while funny enough Datone Jones was the one who shed his guy and plugged the initial running lane which forced the cutback in the first place.

Tough to fully blame the QBs due to the weather and the OL that Rettig was behind (the 1st and 2nd string OL looked good tho). I think Tolzien should get the majority of the QB snaps from here on out. We know what Flynn is, give Tolzien his shot and let him sink or swim.

I would also add that it was a good test for Tretter with the weather and it being his first game action and he seemed to pass.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:11:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I hate the extra point thing. Goodell's trying to change the NFL into a high scoring version of Madden. I don't like the 2 point conversion rule either.


Could you explain how taking what most feel was a near automatic extra point into a 33 yard field goal for an extra point as transforming the NFL game into a high scoring version of Madden?

I don't like what Roger Goodell has offered up for rule changes, specifically on the defense, but this one here actually makes sense. We have specialists kicking the ball now whereas many decades ago it was "hey can you kick?". The game has vastly changed from when the placement of the extra point was established.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:51:35 PM(UTC)
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The first-team o-line was nasty. We haven't seen that in along time.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:57:01 PM(UTC)
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Personally I've never been a fan of having extra points plays in the first place... I've thought they just give the team 7 if they score a TD and be done with it... yes kickers are important but they shouldn't have any part in touchdowns... to me it just seems screwed up that a team can worked their butts off to get into the end zone just to have one of the guys that barely sees the field to screw up and not get all 7 points. To me that's up there with the hardest way to score (getting a Safety) is worth the least about of points (2).... how screwed up is that? Yes you get the ball back, but it'd be so much smarter if you gave them 4 or more points (preferred more) and then let hem kick it off, same way a touch down would be.


Anyways my thoughts are... I thought RB Neal could be the RB draft steal, of this year's draft and I was surprised he wasn't drafted. I think he has a shot (though slim for now) of making the Packers 53 man roster).

Also to my surprise it seems like Quarless might be the #3 TE.

Flynn and Tolzien is shaping up to be a very interesting battle.

Very impressed with the OL (until the very end).

I didn't like watching the second half of the ILBers depth (or lack there of).

Need to watch/follow the defense chances more... was a bit hard with the Titans guys talking on and on about mainly only the Titans guys... maybe I should of muted it.

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#9 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:39:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
Peppers hopefully is taking it easy for preseason, because he kinda sucked there, and had a pretty funny whiff on the 2nd play.

Dix made some very good tackles, driving back and tackling through a blocker once.

Brad Jones f*cked up pretty bad to allow the Shonn Greene TD.

Harper sucks and needs to be cut. (Wide open TD drop, 3rd down drop, among others.)

RBs looked good. (Depending on O line)

QBs diddnt give the WRs many opportunities.


If you can please enlighten me why would we cut a 24 year old that can be groomed to be a decent WR in the league?

Weather wasn't that great in this game, team never got into a groove. I'm sure the kid will groom up to be better then you expect. I don't think he sucks, I don't think his good either "a lot of work to be put in" well but for whatever the reason is I see something in him. I ain't ready to part ways with him yet that's all I'm saying.

Anyone else see some light at the end of the tunnel for this kid or it's only me?
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#10 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:32:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Could you explain how taking what most feel was a near automatic extra point into a 33 yard field goal for an extra point as transforming the NFL game into a high scoring version of Madden?

I don't like what Roger Goodell has offered up for rule changes, specifically on the defense, but this one here actually makes sense. We have specialists kicking the ball now whereas many decades ago it was "hey can you kick?". The game has vastly changed from when the placement of the extra point was established.


It's like Maino said on the post game. You have a 14 play, 70 yard drive, score a TD, and then you don't get the lead, because your kicker missed the PAT? That's lame.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:33:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It's like Maino said on the post game. You have a 14 play, 70 yard drive, score a TD, and then you don't get the lead, because your kicker missed the PAT? That's lame.


Again, how is that making the scores higher?
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#12 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 5:36:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Again, how is that making the scores higher?


It's making scores stupider.
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#13 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 6:11:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It's making scores stupider.


I thought you said it was going to be high scoring games like Madden, now you're saying it makes scores stupider? While I agree Goodell is changing the game too much (mind you, this falls on the players more than Goodell when you dive deep into it) the moving of the extra point just makes sense. It took me a minute to warm up to it, but I like the added drama to it.
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#14 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 7:57:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I thought you said it was going to be high scoring games like Madden, now you're saying it makes scores stupider? While I agree Goodell is changing the game too much (mind you, this falls on the players more than Goodell when you dive deep into it) the moving of the extra point just makes sense. It took me a minute to warm up to it, but I like the added drama to it.


I find it a bit humorous. Back in the 80s or 90s there was talk of just giving a team 7 pts when they scored a TD since the PATs we almost automatic. Looks like the pendulum has swung the other direction. With all the "player safety" concerns it does surprise me a bit. A player is more likely to be injured on the new longer PAT than on the old one.
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#15 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 8:49:17 AM(UTC)
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No matter what anyone thinks of the new PAT rule experiment, we can all agree that getting through a preseason game without 6 players pulling up with hammies is a big win.
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#16 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:21:12 PM(UTC)
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I guess I am one of the few who likes the new PAT rule. It provides excitement and goosebumps! I like that!
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#17 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 6:20:50 PM(UTC)
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The two question marks I had going in were Tretter and Sherrod. I thought they both played really well! Should either Bacteria or Bulaga go down, we have a capable backup. Which leads me to a question, is Bahktiari's best position guard? He's a little short for the LT position.
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#18 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 8:45:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
I guess I am one of the few who likes the new PAT rule. It provides excitement and goosebumps! I like that!


I like it. Its still pretty damned likely but it's not as automatic and I could see a few more two point tries especially in games where weather is a strong factor.

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#19 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 8:54:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
The two question marks I had going in were Tretter and Sherrod. I thought they both played really well! Should either Bacteria or Bulaga go down, we have a capable backup. Which leads me to a question, is Bahktiari's best position guard? He's a little short for the LT position.


Fuck that. Linsley can back up anywhere on the inside. Then there's also Lane Taylor.
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#20 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 9:21:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shield4life Go to Quoted Post
If you can please enlighten me why would we cut a 24 year old that can be groomed to be a decent WR in the league?

Weather wasn't that great in this game, team never got into a groove. I'm sure the kid will groom up to be better then you expect. I don't think he sucks, I don't think his good either "a lot of work to be put in" well but for whatever the reason is I see something in him. I ain't ready to part ways with him yet that's all I'm saying.

Anyone else see some light at the end of the tunnel for this kid or it's only me?


I know what you mean. He can make plays, but lacks consistency. He surely has some upside to him, but he needs to be able to catch the ball regularly. I have been pulling for the guy with hopes that he will put it all together.
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#21 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 10:06:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
The two question marks I had going in were Tretter and Sherrod. I thought they both played really well! Should either Bacteria or Bulaga go down, we have a capable backup. Which leads me to a question, is Bahktiari's best position guard? He's a little short for the LT position.


All the centers played well. Even Gerhart.
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#22 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 10:19:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 Go to Quoted Post
As I mentioned elsewhere it was tough to judge in the weather but here's a few things I saw from Saturday's game

1) Tolzien can hit his targets
2) Starks looks fast
3) The O-Line and WR all did a good job of staying on their blocks
4) Our secondary looked a lot less lost than last year.
5) I know it was raining like all hell but CATCH THE DAMNED KICK

I like the new extra point thing, I hope they eventually go with it


I thought Tolzien improved in that he saw the open receiver. But his accuracy wasn't very good. I don't know if it was the rain, but he made what should have been easy catches very difficult. Some were dropped in spite of being catchable and some were actually caught.

The Quarless drop and the one by Harper in the extra point were poor throws. The big catch by Harper was over the wrong shoulder and forced him to spin around to make a great play on the ball. Getting it to the receiver is good, but hitting them in stride makes for a lot more YAC and a lot fewer drops.

He was also late on his throws to the outside. The receivers came out of their breaks and had to wait for the ball. If the DBs had been starters, they would have been knocked away or worse. He made those plays closer than they should have been. In a real game, you can't be that late with your throws.

He didn't look as sharp as his stats would suggest.
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#23 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 11:44:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
f*ck that. Linsley can back up anywhere on the inside. Then there's also Lane Taylor.


Actually Bakhtiari was drafted to be a versatile backup as well. While I don't see the line as all that outstanding, it IS deep and I am not worried about it going to pieces if someone goes down.

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:21:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Which leads me to a question, is Bahktiari's best position guard? He's a little short for the LT position.


No.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:45:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
The two question marks I had going in were Tretter and Sherrod. I thought they both played really well! Should either Bacteria or Bulaga go down, we have a capable backup. Which leads me to a question, is Bahktiari's best position guard? He's a little short for the LT position.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
f*ck that. Linsley can back up anywhere on the inside. Then there's also Lane Taylor.



I agree with nerdmann and would say, "So what?!?" to Bahktiari being shorter... I don't give two shits about who's taller... I want the better player to play and right now they have Bahktiari as the starter and I assume there is a very good reason for that.

If you're gonna move someone move the back-up... not the starter.

And I don't think Bahktiari is physical enough for OG, just like Sherrod (as a rookie) wasn't physical enough for OG.
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