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musccy  
#41 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 7:03:14 AM(UTC)
This isn't necessarily directed towards Uffda, but is Johnathan Franklin a bust? Whether you think he is, or he isn't, shouldn't your "categorization" of Worthy and Sherrod be similar to this point?

As far as the importance of draft positioning, w/o looking, I can't tell you where Brooks, Newsome, Evans, Butler, Winters, Bennett, Levins, or Chmura were picked. However, that's my point. Wherever Datone or Boyd were picked, does it really matter so long as the job is getting done? No doubt that to this point Datone has been a let down, but if the job is getting done on the line (admittedly that's a big "if") it's not that big of a deal, especially with a cap number under 2 million.

wpr  
#42 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 7:19:43 AM(UTC)
way too soon to make any kind of judgement.
nerdmann  
#43 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 8:45:02 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post


Worthy is a bust I would say... Perry is not there...too many injuries and position switch. This is make or break for both.



Worthy did ok his rookie year. Never really stood out, but didn't really suck.

Thing with him is, he got hurt at the end of that year, and so missed much of last year rehabbing the knee. Now he needs to get healthy and show he can get back at it.
Mucky Tundra  
#44 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 8:50:07 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Worthy did ok his rookie year. Never really stood out, but didn't really suck.

Thing with him is, he got hurt at the end of that year, and so missed much of last year rehabbing the knee. Now he needs to get healthy and show he can get back at it.


Worried about Worthy. Could they try stashing him on IR again like they did last year? The fact that he hurt his back lifting weights is rather ominous.
musccy  
#45 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 9:53:54 AM(UTC)
Mucky Tundra said: Go to Quoted Post
Worried about Worthy. Could they try stashing him on IR again like they did last year? The fact that he hurt his back lifting weights is rather ominous.


I was thinking the same, and that it's probably the only way he "makes the team" this year. If I'm not mistaken he missed all of OTAs and now 2+ weeks of TC?
nerdmann  
#46 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 11:30:48 AM(UTC)
Mucky Tundra said: Go to Quoted Post
Worried about Worthy. Could they try stashing him on IR again like they did last year? The fact that he hurt his back lifting weights is rather ominous.


Easily treated.

Du Huo Ji Sheng Wan
StarrMax1  
#47 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 11:57:27 AM(UTC)
voiceofreason said: Go to Quoted Post
657 people have viewed this topic. Come on guys and gals, log in and show some support for Datone "the beast" jones. Or bash him. Either way it will be fun I swear.


650 of the 657 people who have viewed this thread have no desire to interact with the creator of said thread.

Why?

Simple they have learned , or soon will learn, subject and content does not matter, these threads are created just to show everyone here how much more superior the creator is than anyone else on these forums, and believe me when I say this, at some point as some continue to feed the troll, this thread will turn into a "we are all blinded by our green and gold glasses, and Ted Thompson is the worst GM in the league and it's unbelievable that he gets so much support"

Any knowledgeable fan realizes you can't judge a player after 1 year and 1 preseason game.

Especially when said player was injured the 1st preseason game of his rookie year. which set his 1st year development behind.

The problem since "The Creator" has already deemed him a bust, he will continue to bash him at any chance, because he is always right and anyone else is wrong.



wpr  
#48 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 12:48:44 PM(UTC)
StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
650 of the 657 people who have viewed this thread have no desire to interact with the creator of said thread.

Why?

Simple they have learned , or soon will learn, subject and content does not matter, these threads are created just to show everyone here how much more superior the creator is than anyone else on these forums, and believe me when I say this, at some point as some continue to feed the troll, this thread will turn into a "we are all blinded by our green and gold glasses, and Ted Thompson is the worst GM in the league and it's unbelievable that he gets so much support"

Any knowledgeable fan realizes you can't judge a player after 1 year and 1 preseason game.

Especially when said player was injured the 1st preseason game of his rookie year. which set his 1st year development behind.

The problem since "The Creator" has already deemed him a bust, he will continue to bash him at any chance, because he is always right and anyone else is wrong.






Not exactly correct. People who view may well have already made a comment. They may come back to read more of the replies but don't always post another comment right away. They can do so later when they have more time. Not everyone who views and then doesn't immediately follow up with a comment is a lurker. The lack of comments probably has nothing to do with uffda udfa creating this thread. I rather link it that he is willing to look outside the norm. There are a few on here who do, like nerdmann. That is one of the reason I come here is to see what other perspectives are. If I didn't want that I would read the AP homogenized version of an issue.

Kudos to jlyons043 for posting.
evad04  
#49 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:37:06 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Easily treated.

Du Huo Ji Sheng Wan


This is why we can't have nice things, folks.
voiceofreason  
#50 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 5:40:00 PM(UTC)
People should realize that every packers fan opinion is important and valued. I felt I would be in the majority thinking that Datone should be given more time, and reached out for support. I am a notorious lurker. As pointed out by another member previously I only have 60 some posts but have been a member since 2009. I have been a member of too many forums that devolved into pure bashfests, and I have no desire to see this one go that way. We have much to be happy and excited for as packer fans. I recommend cherishing these moments because all good things come to an end eventually.
uffda udfa  
#51 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 8:09:18 PM(UTC)
OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
I never label a guy with injury problems as a "bust" but I am disappointed with Worthy since he has never been healthy.

Something you guys have glossed over in your back and forth sniping is that you can't judge a 3-4 DE the same way you do a 4-3 guy. It's a different role and much closer to a traditional DT. The numbers from a 3-4 DE are going to look a lot more like Santana Dotson than Reggie White., The big sacks, etc. come from the OLB.

The only 3-4 end that comes to mind when I think of great pass rushers is Bruce Smith, and he is very much the exception.

Most of the time, no one even knows who the 3-4 end is even on a ghreat defense. Think of some of those great Steeler, Ravens and Giants defenses that ran 3-4 and tell me who the DE were.

I expect progress this year from Jones, but I am not expecting double digit sacks, nor should I.


You don't live in Wisconsin, apparently. JJ Watt? :-k [grin1]

I have defended Worthy previously about him not being a bust due to injury concerns. Is Franklin a bust? I would've said...NO and NO. Franklin was incredible vs. Cincinnati. That was his only real opportunity as a RB for us and he nailed it, well, save for the game losing fumble. [palm]

Worthy is an insanely likeable personality. If there is a guy I'd want to succeed for us, it'd probably be him. He didn't play very well year one, and now he has other issues. A guy who didn't play well when he did play...got hurt...then got hurt again and may likely never be the same because of his injuries is a bust to me because what we did see from him wasn't anything especially for where he was selected.

Perry has shown some incredible power... he's a strong dude who is clueless on how to play OLB after playing DE in college. I blame our org for projecting him improperly. He is supposed to be one our elephant ends this year ala KGB, so hopefully that ignites his career. I don't see the same hope for Worthy...he isn't going to be moved to a more natural position for him like Perry.

It is sad that Perry, Worthy and Jones ...3 very high picks are all failures as of this point. How badly does that affect our defensive performance? If just one of them would've been a solid player it would've helped a ton. Batting 0-3 there hurts.
buckeyepackfan  
#52 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:22:40 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't live in Wisconsin, apparently. JJ Watt? :-k [grin1]

I have defended Worthy previously about him not being a bust due to injury concerns. Is Franklin a bust? I would've said...NO and NO. Franklin was incredible vs. Cincinnati. That was his only real opportunity as a RB for us and he nailed it, well, save for the game losing fumble. [palm]

Worthy is an insanely likeable personality. If there is a guy I'd want to succeed for us, it'd probably be him. He didn't play very well year one, and now he has other issues. A guy who didn't play well when he did play...got hurt...then got hurt again and may likely never be the same because of his injuries is a bust to me because what we did see from him wasn't anything especially for where he was selected.

Perry has shown some incredible power... he's a strong dude who is clueless on how to play OLB after playing DE in college. I blame our org for projecting him improperly. He is supposed to be one our elephant ends this year ala KGB, so hopefully that ignites his career. I don't see the same hope for Worthy...he isn't going to be moved to a more natural position for him like Perry.

It is sad that Perry, Worthy and Jones ...3 very high picks are all failures as of this point. How badly does that affect our defensive performance? If just one of them would've been a solid player it would've helped a ton. Batting 0-3 there hurts.


C'mon tell us who's fault it is, c'mon, you know you are dying to say it.

Someone as smart as you say you are should realize it takes time for players to develope.

But since waiting for the season to play out doesn't fit your agenda, I guess we will all have to be subject to your constant bashing of the organization and the GM of the team you say you love so much.

Keep the fun coming!!!!!!
beast  
#53 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:37:55 PM(UTC)

The simple answer is still, "HECK NO!!" ... it's stupid to give up on someone going into their second year unless they looked like complete crap that didn't even deserve to make the roster last year (aka QB Brohm)...
uffda udfa  
#54 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:42:31 PM(UTC)
StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
650 of the 657 people who have viewed this thread have no desire to interact with the creator of said thread.

Why?

Simple they have learned , or soon will learn, subject and content does not matter, these threads are created just to show everyone here how much more superior the creator is than anyone else on these forums, and believe me when I say this, at some point as some continue to feed the troll, this thread will turn into a "we are all blinded by our green and gold glasses, and Ted Thompson is the worst GM in the league and it's unbelievable that he gets so much support"

Any knowledgeable fan realizes you can't judge a player after 1 year and 1 preseason game.

Especially when said player was injured the 1st preseason game of his rookie year. which set his 1st year development behind.

The problem since "The Creator" has already deemed him a bust, he will continue to bash him at any chance, because he is always right and anyone else is wrong.


Care to revisit this in light of Jerel Worthy?

StarrMax1  
#55 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:09:14 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Care to revisit this in light of Jerel Worthy?



Revisit what?

Oh I see, you are just happy as hell because Worthy was injured and Ted has decided to move on after one year.

Well congratulations, you got your wish.

Which player or players drafted this year do you hope get injured and have their Packer careers cut short just so you can come on this forum and keep running your mouth?

Clinton Dix?, Adams?, Thornton?, R. Rodgers?

Pretty sad, that you hope for injuries to try and convince others that Ted Thompson is bringing The Packer nation down.

I'll stick with Teds decisions, thank you very much.



uffda udfa  
#56 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:18:40 PM(UTC)
StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
Revisit what?

Oh I see, you are just happy as hell because Worthy was injured and Ted has decided to move on after one year.

Well congratulations, you got your wish.

Which player or players drafted this year do you hope get injured and have their Packer careers cut short just so you can come on this forum and keep running your mouth?

Clinton Dix?, Adams?, Thornton?, R. Rodgers?

Pretty sad, that you hope for injuries to try and convince others that Ted Thompson is bringing The Packer nation down.

I'll stick with Teds decisions, thank you very much.



It never ceases to amaze me how you keep this up. 24 hours ago you were slamming me and talking abou how dumb it would be to give up on a guy after one year... BOOM! What happens? Your hero gives up on a 2nd rounder who played one full year in Green Bay. Gone.

So, what body of evidence did we base this move on from Worthy off of? Hmmm... I believe the answer would be one year on the field. Yet, in this post, you and others are going bonkers about me suggesting that it might be time to call Datone a B U S T. I state my opinion I believe it's time. Hammered. Just hammered for it.

Today, TT, releases a guy with less than one full year of on field service. He started FOUR games... DONE. GONE.

Please, write or call Ted Thompson and complain he didn't do it the Packer way and give him 3 full years to develop. That is what I keep hearing here...the same old mantras spouted in defense of TT's philosophy. I will continue to cite example after example of the fallacy that is fed to the Packer faithful. Just go back and read his comments from the shareholder's meeting... the draft THIS YEAR was about WINNING NOW. LMAO. Right. Sure. Okay. I honestly can't believe the deference given to our GM because he's a GM. It's like the guy is infallible because he's the GM of the Packers. He utters an outright LIE and the sycophants quickly chime in to defend. It's odd, really.
DarkaneRules  
#57 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:28:50 PM(UTC)
The bickering is useless. We got Jones and Boyd and Worthy became expendable. We knew he wasn't making the cut this year anyway so who cares?

And every year can be about winning now when you have a quarterback as good as Aaron Rodgers. There's no time like the present fellas.
StarrMax1  
#58 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:34:54 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
It never ceases to amaze me how you keep this up. 24 hours ago you were slamming me and talking abou how dumb it would be to give up on a guy after one year... BOOM! What happens? Your hero gives up on a 2nd rounder who played one full year in Green Bay. Gone.

So, what body of evidence did we base this move on from Worthy off of? Hmmm... I believe the answer would be one year on the field. Yet, in this post, you and others are going bonkers about me suggesting that it might be time to call Datone a B U S T. I state my opinion I believe it's time. Hammered. Just hammered for it.

Today, TT, releases a guy with less than one full year of on field service. He started FOUR games... DONE. GONE.

Please, write or call Ted Thompson and complain he didn't do it the Packer way and give him 3 full years to develop. That is what I keep hearing here...the same old mantras spouted in defense of TT's philosophy. I will continue to cite example after example of the fallacy that is fed to the Packer faithful. Just go back and read his comments from the shareholder's meeting... the draft THIS YEAR was about WINNING NOW. LMAO. Right. Sure. Okay. I honestly can't believe the deference given to our GM because he's a GM. It's like the guy is infallible because he's the GM of the Packers. He utters an outright LIE and the sycophants quickly chime in to defend. It's odd, really.


There ya go, off on another rant, completely off topic.

The only reason Worthy is gone is because he couldn't stay on the field.

I think it's a shame, because Jerel showed talent.

You on the other hand use his injury as one of your many examples of "the fallacy that is fed to The Packer faithfull"

Again pretty damn sad.
uffda udfa  
#59 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:39:06 PM(UTC)
StarrMax1 said: Go to Quoted Post
There ya go, off on another rant, completely off topic.

The only reason Worthy is gone is because he couldn't stay on the field.

I think it's a shame, because Jerel showed talent.

You on the other hand use his injury as one of your many examples of "the fallacy that is fed to The Packer faithfull"

Again pretty damn sad.


Sure. That is why Derek Sherrod is still here.

I do agree that Jerel showed talent...in COLLEGE.
DarkaneRules  
#60 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:40:19 PM(UTC)
Not a fan of the ranting. I can only handle it in small doses.
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