Zero2Cool
9 years ago
Sean Gilbert, the player who once held out the entire '97 season because he wanted more money is trying to replace DeMaurice Smith as the NFLPA head honcho.

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  • TERMINATION OF THE CBA - Pursue the right to terminate the Collective Bargaining Agreement under Article 17 and Article 69. (ANTI-COLLUSION)

  • PLAYER HEALTH AND SAFETY – We will never negotiate the health and safety of our Players. The health and safety of NFL Players is priceless and should be respected by both the Union and the Owners.

  • $1,000,000 MINIMUM SALARY – The current system discriminates against older Players while exploiting younger Players. Increases in the “Minimum Salary” will be tied to the growth in revenues.

  • UNION DUES – Dues will revert to $10,000 rather than the present $15,000, which was a 50% increase this past year.

  • GROW THE GAME/SALARY CAP – Not only do we expect to recapture much of the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS that have shifted from the Players to the Owners under the current agreement, we expect to significantly grow the game.

  • ROOKIE CONTRACTS THREE (3) YEARS – All Rookie Contracts shall be three (3) years (no option for First Round Selections).

  • FREE AGENCY AFTER THREE (3) YEARS.

  • FRANCHISE DESIGNATION – A Player may only be “FRANCHISED” once in his career.

  • ELIMINATE THE TRANSITION DESIGNATION.

  • ELIMINATE TWO (2) PRE-SEASON GAMES.

  • ELIMINATE COMPENSATORY DRAFT SELECTIONS – Teams shall not be rewarded for refusing to sign their own Free Agents.

  • RENEGOTIATION OF PLAYERS CONTRACTS CAN COMMENCE AFTER ONE (1) YEAR INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT THREE (3) YEAR RULE. See - Russell Wilson

  • NFL PLAYER JOB CREATION – We shall add 224 NFL PLAYER JOBS – Roster size shall increase from 53 to 57 Players and Practice Squad shall increase from 8 to 11 Players.

  • PRACTICE SQUAD SALARY INCREASE – Practice Squad Salary shall increase from $6,300 per week to $20,000 per week.

  • ELIMINATE “CONTRACT SPLITS” DURING THE REGULAR SEASON.

  • ELIMINATE EXCLUSIONS FROM “ALL REVENUE” (AR) – Eliminate exclusions from “AR” such as, Dallas Cowboys Merchandising (in excess of $80 million), PSL fees for the New York Jets and Giants (in excess of $43 million) and revenues derived from real estate development opportunities in conjunction with Stadium lease etc.

  • ELIMINATE THE “BUCKET/BAND” SYSTEM – Eliminate the band/bucket system (Article 12, Section 6, page 79-80) and advocate a true equitable partnership between the Players and Owners.

  • 100% CASH SPENDING – A Team must spend 100% of the “SALARY CAP” each year. Any shortfall shall be paid by the Team having such shortfall, directly to the Players who were on such a Team’s roster at any time during the season, pursuant to the reasonable allocation instructions of the NFLPA.

  • LIMITATION ON ROGER GOODELL’S POWER – Goodell will no longer be allowed to serve as judge, jury, and executioner on matters of Player’s discipline.

  • “FINE MONEY” SHALL BE GIVEN TO “NEEDY” RETIRED PLAYERS

  • “CONTRACT DISSOLUTION BENEFIT” – Purpose is to eliminate fictional contracts and create respect for the sanctity of the Contract. Except for “Rookie Contracts” or One-Year Contracts, if a Team terminates the Contract, the Player shall receive 10% of the remaining money due under the Contract. Player shall receive such amount upon submission of his “Retirement Papers.” The “Contract Dissolution Benefit” will not be counted as a “CAP CHARGE.”

  • TRUE TRANSPARENCY – Between the Union, Players & Agents, e.g. “Player Performance Pool”


  • POTENTIAL “CARROT” – GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL REVENUES

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  • 18 Games

  • Super Bowl will be played on President’s Weekend (pushes majority of Post-Season in “TV Sweeps Month”)

  • Bid out Super Bowl like the Olympics

  • Transition Rules:

  • Annualized Salaries from 16 Games to 18 Games – For example, if Player’s Base Salary is currently $1.6 Million, under 18 Games it shall be $1.8 Million.

    Guaranteeing the Difference – For example, the Player has Four (4) years left on his Contract that pays him an annual Salary of $3,200,000, you must annualized his Salary like above. Therefore, his new “Annualized Salary” shall be $3,600,00 per year. The subsequent year Team terminates Players’ Contract with 3 years remaining; Player shall receive $1,200,000 ($3,600,000 less $3,200,000 multiply by the 3 years remaining). Player shall receive such amount upon submission of his “Retirement Papers.” When paid, such amount shall be included in the “Player Benefits Costs.”[/list][/list]













    There are a few that I think the Packers would like, such as the shorter preseason, increased roster, but the elimination of the compensatory picks I think the Packers would not be happy with. I think the Players, not the Owners elect the head of NFLPA

    How do you think these changes would affect the Packers?



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    wpr
    • wpr
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    9 years ago
    First off he is trying to put all these items on the table to entice players to vote for him. It is not that he would be able to deliverer even one of them but if he can get enough of them to think that he can bring about some of them they will like it. I had a business law class where we discussed this type of tactic. It has been effective on many occasions.

    Next just because he and the players want most of them don't mean the owners will give in on any of them. I doubt the players are willing to go on strike to get any of the things he is advocating.

    The current CBA runs through 2021. The Exec Director's term is for 3 years. He would have to go through 2 terms before he would be able to get very many of his requests agreed to by the owners.

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    wpr
    • wpr
    • Preferred Member
    9 years ago
    A look at the list and how it pertains to the players as a whole and the Packer organization:



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  • $1 million minimum player salary.
  • veteran players with 4 or more years os playtime time are getting $730 this year and it increases up to $790 in year 2018. There is no way the average player will want to strike in order for the rookie street free agent can earn $1 mill while the vet only moves up a few hundred thousand a year.

    The Packers would most likely be able to withstand the huge increase in player salary expenses but other teams will not. If this were to happen teams like Jacksonville would fold. Owners/organizations would not support the change.

  • Increase regular season from 16 games to 18 games.
  • Players would not vote for it as the injury risk would increase. The additional pay would not offset the exposure. While the min salary would most likely be tied to this the Elite players would not see an increase in pay so they would not be in favor of the additional games.

    Some teams would be in favor of it. It would not be beneficial to Green Bay as they sell out the preseason games already.

  • Increase of roster size from 53 to 57 (with an 11-player practice squad).

  • I don't see players risking a strike or lockout over the practice squad players or the ones are there to fill out the roster.

    Green Bay with all their injuries year after year after year would benefit from a larger roster. Uncle Teddy would be able to do a better job than other GMs in filling the last few roster spots. Owners will not agree to the expanded rosters. It is not as if the players who are not on as if the players disappear if they are not affiliated with a NFL team. When needed they can still be found. In the mean time the NFL does not have to pay them wages.

  • Increase in the practice-squad salary to $20,000 per week.

  • Once again I doubt the NFL players are willing to risk very much in order to get a large raise for these players.
    Green Bay would not accept the new higher cost any more than would any other team.

  • A reduction in dues from $15,000 to $10,000.
  • No big deal.
    None of the teams would care one way or the other.

  • Three-year rookie deals.
  • Never happen. It is enticing to the better players to get out into free agency sooner but it will have a negative impact on the average and below average players, of which there are more of them.

    It would hurt Green Bay as the hope would be to try and get salaries to spiral upward.

  • Free agency after three years.

  • same as above
  • Permissible renegotiation after only one year (with Russell Wilson specifically mentioned as an example),

  • nope. Teams will not allow. What is the point in having the contract if the players will not stick to them. The argument of teams releasing players before the end of the contract is offset by the signing bonus.

    Under the current management team Green Bay would rarely renegotiate with a player.

  • A one-time career limitation on the use of the franchise tag.

  • Players would be in favor but very few are good enough to be a franchise player.
    Green Bay uses it so infrequently it does not effect them but they would not be in favor of such a move.

  • Removal of two preseason games.
  • see above

  • Elimination of the transition tag.
  • see above

  • Elimination of compensatory draft picks.
  • I don't see the players as caring too much about this issue.'
    Green Bay under Uncle Teddy loves the Comp pick and they would not be in favor of such a change in any way.

  • Elimination of “contract splits,”.

  • No idea of what is meant by split contract.

  • Elimination of certain exclusions from “all revenue,” such as Cowboys merchandising and Jets/Giants PSL fees.
  • Green Bay would not be in favor of such a move and would resist.

  • Restriction of the Commissioner’s judge-jury-executioner power.
  • I doubt most players would support unless they knew the alternative. They already agreed to give the Commish the power to curb PEDs and dirty players such as Meriwather who has no regard of his fellow players.

    GB would not vote in favor of such a move

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    All in all too little is being offered to the teams and too much is wanted from them to make any of these options viable. Other than lowering dues not a single item could be enacted prior to the new CBA and even then owners would let players strike or lock them out over these items.

    Who knows what the players really think but they are better served by an Ex Director who is an attorney and understands the process than a dude who has not formal training in these matters and only wants to stir things up in order to get a real job and not have to rely on being an asst HS coach.
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    beast
    9 years ago

    Sean Gilbert, the player who once held out the entire '97 season because he wanted more money is trying to replace DeMaurice Smith as the NFLPA head honcho.

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  • TERMINATION OF THE CBA - Pursue the right to terminate the Collective Bargaining Agreement under Article 17 and Article 69. (ANTI-COLLUSION)

    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


  • From what I've read his whole plan is based around being able to prove NFL collusion and getting the NFL in enough legal troubles that they bow down to him and the players and accept what he offers. If he turns out to be incorrect about that then the whole plan/idea is ruined (unless he can stay in the position until they can kick out the current CBA).

    He's claiming he can prove NFL collusion (then again so did/does the current NFLPA and they haven't been able to deliver on that yet (and kind of hope they can't because I think it'll be a huge mess that no one will be able to clean up for a while if they are)).

    This guy is claiming his way/thought pattern would work better in proving the NFL collusion than the current NFLPA way/though pattern...


    Basically this all hinges on can this guy prove to a court that their was NFL collusion... to me that's a HUGE assumption... and I'd ask how much experience/success does he have in a courtroom?

    If he can't get the CBA thrown out (I don't think anyone can without a long court battle), the only real difference I see is that I think he might be willing to hold out of the season and put more pressure on the owners...

    He might be better at making a new deal once the CBA is up... but I think the players, fans and owners would suffer more getting to it...

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    sschind
    9 years ago

    First off he is trying to put all these items on the table to entice players to vote for him. It is not that he would be able to deliverer even one of them but if he can get enough of them to think that he can bring about some of them they will like it. I had a business law class where we discussed this type of tactic. It has been effective on many occasions.

    Next just because he and the players want most of them don't mean the owners will give in on any of them. I doubt the players are willing to go on strike to get any of the things he is advocating.

    The current CBA runs through 2021. The Exec Director's term is for 3 years. He would have to go through 2 terms before he would be able to get very many of his requests agreed to by the owners.

    Originally Posted by: wpr 



    You mean he is a typical politician. Promise everything deliver nothing.

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