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Offline uffda udfa  
#31 Posted : Sunday, August 24, 2014 8:56:01 PM(UTC)

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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Haven't seen this game yet. Been at a conference all weekend.

WTF happened!?


His nutritional intake was all wrong. [grin1]

Hard to say, nerd... couldn't tell from the TV, but he ended up playing 40 some snaps on a messed up knee. He wasn't as good as he was in the 1st series later on... I guess that's why.


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#32 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 3:10:04 AM(UTC)

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Maybe the question(s) that should be asked are: if he could play 40 or so snaps on the bad knee - apparently without the coaches or training staff even noticing a drop off in quality, why can't he continue to play on it? Is it something that would likely get worse? If so, it's a damn shame it "got worse" during those 40 or so snaps. If not, then why not let the guy play? People speculate about players' "toughness" or not. I would suggest that most of the time, it is out of their hands - the damn doctors are the ones to blame for the perceived lack of toughness in today's players.
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#33 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 11:48:39 AM(UTC)

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uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
His nutritional intake was all wrong. [grin1]

Hard to say, nerd... couldn't tell from the TV, but he ended up playing 40 some snaps on a messed up knee. He wasn't as good as he was in the 1st series later on... I guess that's why.




That IS the type of injury I look at as pertaining to nutrition. There was no tramatic event, the joint just popped in the normal course of athletic activity!? So much so that he continued playing on it for another two quarters? I mean 40 plays is quite a bit is it not?

Un FUCKING believable.
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#34 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 12:12:36 PM(UTC)

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That IS the type of injury I look at as pertaining to nutrition. There was no tramatic event, the joint just popped in the normal course of athletic activity!? So much so that he continued playing on it for another two quarters? I mean 40 plays is quite a bit is it not?

Un f*ckING believable.


Quit trying to diagnose people from your sofa and then freaking out about it. Do you know when he got injured? How do you know there was no trauma? What if his knee is fractured instead of "joint just popped".
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#35 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 6:34:27 PM(UTC)

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There was no tramatic event

In the mix of what I assume to be a hard charging, attacking and colliding mass of over 2500 pounds of beef each snap how can anyone say there isn't traumatic events? ... if there wasn't traumatic events then people wouldn't be getting hurt nearly as often.

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#36 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 6:39:17 PM(UTC)

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In the mix of what I assume to be a hard charging, attacking and colliding mass of over 2500 pounds of beef each snap how can anyone say there isn't traumatic events? ... if there wasn't traumatic events then people wouldn't be getting hurt nearly as often.

Vince quote


Yeah really, When Richardson slammed into that Raiders guy and busted his ankle or whatever there was no direct hit anywhere where near the guys leg area but there sure as shit was some trauma there.
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#37 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 7:11:55 PM(UTC)

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In the mix of what I assume to be a hard charging, attacking and colliding mass of over 2500 pounds of beef each snap how can anyone say there isn't traumatic events? ... if there wasn't traumatic events then people wouldn't be getting hurt nearly as often.

Vince quote


So why aren't they snapping their bones on every play? Why did he continue playing on it?
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#38 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 7:20:48 PM(UTC)

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So why aren't they snapping their bones on every play? Why did he continue playing on it?


Because players get banged up all the time and keep playing, it's what they train themselves to do... haven't you ever played? Did you leave just because you got roughed up or banged up or did you keep playing as long as you could take the pain?

He thought he could handle the pain and kept playing because that's what a lot of players do...
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#39 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 7:39:04 PM(UTC)

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Because players get banged up all the time and keep playing, it's what they train themselves to do... haven't you ever played? Did you leave just because you got roughed up or banged up or did you keep playing as long as you could take the pain?

He thought he could handle the pain and kept playing because that's what a lot of players do...


Just seems odd to me. AND, it's a pattern. Iirc, he stated it didn't really start to hurt until after the game, correct?

Anyway I haven't even seen the game yet.
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#40 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 7:41:27 PM(UTC)

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Just seems odd to me. AND, it's a pattern. Iirc, he stated it didn't really start to hurt until after the game, correct?

Anyway I haven't even seen the game yet.


Don't think that's true, he got it looked at by trainers then went back in so he was obviously in some sort of pain. Also they already said there was no ligament damage and no surgery needed so I doubt something "popped" he probably had a fracture of some sort.
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#41 Posted : Monday, August 25, 2014 8:23:21 PM(UTC)

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Don't think that's true, he got it looked at by trainers then went back in so he was obviously in some sort of pain. Also they already said there was no ligament damage and no surgery needed so I doubt something "popped" he probably had a fracture of some sort.


Yes that is true on both accounts, he came out after the first or second series, and it has been reported as knee fracture as well.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/s...ltiple-weeks-knee-injury

I don't remember which article I read about the trainers looking at it earlier, but they checked him out, sent him back in, and then at halftime after he stopped playing is when he felt it.
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Yes that is true on both accounts, he came out after the first or second series, and it has been reported as knee fracture as well.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/s...ltiple-weeks-knee-injury

I don't remember which article I read about the trainers looking at it earlier, but they checked him out, sent him back in, and then at halftime after he stopped playing is when he felt it.


That's actually (relatively) good news to me. I'd rather have a fracture than a damaged joint or ligament.

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Packers coach Mike McCarthy said he did not know if the team would use the injured reserve/designated to return distinction, but according to a league source, Tretter's injury should not keep him out any longer than six weeks. A player on temporary IR has to miss eight weeks.

The source said Tretter has a slight fracture and did not sustain any ligament damage. He will not require surgery.


Should not keep him out longer than 6 weeks? We'll see about that, but it would be nice to get him back.
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#43 Posted : Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:27:38 PM(UTC)

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Here's how I see it.....if the backup plays exceptional while Tretter is out, then they will stick with him. They can always use the "Tretter could return now, but we feel it's in his best interest to rehab longer so he doesn't reinjure the knee". That saves face, and allows them to keep him on the sidelines without making it look like he lost his position due to injury.
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#44 Posted : Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:29:12 PM(UTC)

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Just seems odd to me. AND, it's a pattern. Iirc, he stated it didn't really start to hurt until after the game, correct?

Anyway I haven't even seen the game yet.


On the news, they showed a clip of him getting rolled up on. He went down grabbing his knee. Looked pretty traumatic to me.

I can also tell you from experience, sometimes an injury just feels like you got kicked or something. It isn't until it swells up and you can't move it that you notice it is something more.

I tore a MCL playing modified fastpitch. I was behind the plate and there was a play. I got hit in the knee by the base runner. I got up and finished the inning. I even dove for a foul ball.

After sitting on the bench, I couldn't stand up.
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#45 Posted : Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:55:40 PM(UTC)

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On the news, they showed a clip of him getting rolled up on. He went down grabbing his knee. Looked pretty traumatic to me.

I can also tell you from experience, sometimes an injury just feels like you got kicked or something. It isn't until it swells up and you can't move it that you notice it is something more.

I tore a MCL playing modified fastpitch. I was behind the plate and there was a play. I got hit in the knee by the base runner. I got up and finished the inning. I even dove for a foul ball.

After sitting on the bench, I couldn't stand up.


All right then, if he got rolled up on, it's a real injury. Still frustrating, but at least it's not something that popped for no reason.
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